On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:45:08 -0700, S Mattison wrote:
> On 3/10/07, Lalo Martins wrote:
>> You forget on your list that VOS is cross-platform, and the primary
>> platform is GNU/Linux. With that in mind:
>
> Wait.... What?
>
> Did I fail to mention repeatedly that 9/10ths of these applications
> are "OpenSource"? I guess I did fail to mention that the people
> programming the source of TerAngreal know how to compile Source... But
> maybe I thought that was easy to discern from the fact that this group
> is pretty much oriented towards programming?
>
> Anyways, everything listed below as 'opensource' can be recompiled FOR
> GNU/Linux. In case you didn't know.
> Oh, wait, you wanted BINARIES?
Er, I went to the actual website of all of those I tagged "windows-only",
and I'm quite sure they don't work on anything but windows. Yes, they're
open-source, and I can have the source, but they are written with Windows
system libraries in mind, and running them elsewhere would require
extensive porting. (I already knew some of them, but I went to the
website anyway, to check if they had been ported since I last looked.)
[miranda vs. gaim]
>> Better write our own, using libgaim. Gaim is one of the most powerful
>> IM clients out there, recently, even on Windows, I'm recommending Gaim
>> rather than Miranda.
>
> Miranda has a very small memory footprint, and is about 500 times more
> customizable than GAIM, one fourth as big as GAIM even with the 6
> included protocols, as well as having an open plugin architecture, and
> being very minimalistic... And you would rather go with GAIM? Did I
> mention that if you go with GAIM, you'll have to force the entire GTK
> toolkit to run inside your 3d renderer?
Sorry, I disagree with you on all counts. Gaim might be less customisable
and larger than Miranda, but I didn't say anything about using Gaim. I
said, "write our own, using libgaim". And libgaim is both smaller and
more customisable than Miranda, and has an open plugin architecture, and
doesn't depend on GTK. So, what are you talking about?
>> On non-windows, usually you have a separate command-line program (or
>> library) for each different compression format. Even rar/unrar and
>> 7zip in their GNU/Linux versions support only rar and 7z
>> (respectively). So what I believe we'd end up doing is a front-end
>> program that is able to delegate file handling to many other
>> "handlers"; it's a known field, there are many such apps specially in
>> the GNU/Linux world (nautilus, squeeze, etc).
>
> OH, WAIT, by "Windows Only" do you mean that there are only Zip files?
> And you mean to tell me that nobody has ever written a GNU/Linux program
> that deals with the ZIP format?
Er, what the heck are you talking about? I can't follow at all.
What I'm saying above is: the Windows apps -- WinRar, 7z, etc -- generally
support a lot of different formats internally, whereas on GNU/Linux, you
have a different command line tool for each format. That's all I said.
> I think you really oughtta think of how to get WINE to run inside VOS,
> before you say "We can't do windows programs"...
That's a separate matter altogether, and one that would be cool IMO. But
a windows program running in wine inside VOS would be a "flat" windows
program, running in a floating billboard, not a real "VOS application".
best,
Lalo Martins
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then they seem improbable, and then, when we
summon the will, they soon become inevitable.
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