Ok sir. What should I do to fix it ?
Is it true for all iterative methods ?



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> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 6:17 AM Kankana Bhattacharjee <
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>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> This is the Fatal error obtained from inverse.log file:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fatal error:The group cutoff scheme has been removed since GROMACS 2020.
>> Please use theVerlet cutoff scheme.*
>>
> That is right to use tabulated interactions you will to use gromacs 2019
> (or lammps).
>
> VOTCA also prints a warning about that issue then you build it.
> Status of tables in newer gromacs versions here:
> https://gitlab.com/gromacs/gromacs/-/issues/1347, but unfortunately not
> much has moved.
>
> Christoph
>
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>>
>> Thanks & Regards
>> Kankana Bhattacharjee
>>
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>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 5:32 PM Christoph Junghans <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, 23:15 Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>
>>>> RDF for A-A, B-B, A-B computed from atomistic simulation using csg_stat
>>>> tool. Now, I am doing ibi method. But, error is coming during step 1 like
>>>> this:
>>>> Appending to existing logfile inverse.log
>>>> We are doing Method: ibi
>>>> step 0 is already done - skipping
>>>> Doing iteration 1 (dir step_001)
>>>> Simulation with gromacs
>>>> Automatically added 'cutoff-scheme = Group' to grompp.mdp, tabulated
>>>> interactions only work with Group cutoff-scheme!
>>>>
>>>> ##################################################################################################################
>>>> #
>>>>                                          #
>>>> # ERROR:
>>>>                                           #
>>>> # critical: 'gmx grompp -n index.ndx -f grompp.mdp -p topol.top -o
>>>> topol.tpr -c conf.gro' failed                 #
>>>> # For details see the logfile
>>>> /mnt/c/Users/KANKANA/Downloads/votca/csg-tutorials/propane/ibi-kankana/inverse.log
>>>> #
>>>>
>>>
>>> Please look up and post the detailed error message from inverse.log.
>>>
>>>
>>> #
>>>>                                          #
>>>>
>>>> ##################################################################################################################
>>>> Terminated
>>>>
>>>> Kindly help me with this.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks & Regards
>>>> kankana Bhattacharjee
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 8:42 PM Christoph Junghans <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 9:00 AM Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you sir. But IBI would be for multiple propane molecules. Isn't
>>>>>> it ? It won't be for single propane i think
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, IBI (and IMC and RE) are for multiple molecules.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023, 19:47 Christoph Junghans <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 3:16 AM Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sir, i performed atomistic simulation of single  propane in vaccum.
>>>>>>>> But, if we use multiple propane simulation in vaccum, then csg_stat can
>>>>>>>> give RDF which can be compared with RDF of ibi/imc methods ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The single molecule in vacuum is a common separation strategy to
>>>>>>> determine the intertra molecular interactions. In short get the bonded
>>>>>>> interactions from BI for the single chain run and then run IBI for the
>>>>>>> non-bonded interactions.
>>>>>>> see the Tschoep paper from 1998 (
>>>>>>> https://www.votca.org/csg/bibliography.html#tschoep-1998)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to know how to choose which method (ibi, imc) would be
>>>>>>>> accurate to give accurate structural properties?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That depends on the system. IBI, IMC & Re are all structure-based
>>>>>>> methods and try to reproduce the structure.
>>>>>>> Usually IBI is more robust, but needs more iterations. But IMC
>>>>>>> converges faster, but needs longer iterations. Marvin (who is on the
>>>>>>> mailing list as well) wrote an interesting paper about that recently:
>>>>>>> https://doi.org/10.1021/acs.jctc.2c00665
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023, 09:48 Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sir, actually it was given by professor so that, for any arbitrary
>>>>>>>>> molecule also I can make itp file to run CG-MD simulation. It is just 
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> my learning purpose.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suppose, in the tutorial for CG systems topol.top file is there.
>>>>>>>>> Like for ibi, imc method etc. topol.top is there. But, for any unknown
>>>>>>>>> organic CG molecule how can one generate itp file to run CGMD 
>>>>>>>>> simulation ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 9:42 AM Christoph Junghans <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 21:00 Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually sir, it was asked me to prepare propane.itp (for CG).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, can you explain a bit more why you need an itp file? All
>>>>>>>>>> the files (except for the potentials) are in the tutorial already.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 4:15 AM Christoph Junghans <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 12:34 PM Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have done boltzmann inversion of propane. now, for getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonbonded parameters what protocol should I follow ? Because, my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aim is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generate GROMACS compatible itp file for CG propane so that, can 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perform
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CG-MD using Votca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why can't you use the topology files from the propane tutorial?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/votca/votca/tree/master/csg-tutorials/propane/ibi
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am asking because most of the CG methods VOTCA implement work
>>>>>>>>>>>> on tabulated potentials only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks & Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kankana Bhattacharjee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 9:13 PM Christoph Junghans <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forgot to CC the mailing list, so here is the answer for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christoph Junghans <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 8:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [votca] Regarding-Getting-itp-files:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Kankana Bhattacharjee <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 8:06 AM Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, after boltzmann inversion, bond.dist.ib, angle.dist.ib
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and bond.pot.ib, angle.pot.ib (after using tab command)files 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generated. So,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where will I get sigma, epsilon values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not a 100% sure what you mean.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you use nbfunc=1 and comb-rule=1, the sigma and epsilon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> column in the atomtypes block are actually the C6 and C12 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parameters (i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the prefactor of 1/r**6 and 1/r**12).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if you then use tables (vdwtype = user in the mdp file),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1/r**6 and 1/r**12 gets replaced with the function from files 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you provided
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g. obtained by boltzmann inversion) And hence in VOTCA we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C6=C12=1, so that the table is used unmodified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 7:27 PM Christoph Junghans <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 7:44 AM Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, I would like to know how sigma, epsilon and default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> section was decided fpr CG-MD  simulation ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no sigma and epsilon, it is all tabulated interactions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/votca/votca/blob/master/csg-tutorials/hexane/ibi_nonbonded/grompp.mdp#L73
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and those tables you get from boltzmann inversion (or force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matching).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christoph Junghans <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [votca] Regarding-Getting-itp-files:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 3:40 AM Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to know that, in votca beads are defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using "A, B" etc. But, how to understand what type of bead 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is i.e,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> polar, aploar, charged etc. Using A, B beads can anyone run 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GROMACS MD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulation ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the topol.top of the coarse grained simulation you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set the charge, e.g. see:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/votca/votca/blob/master/csg-tutorials/hexane/ibi_nonbonded/topol.top#L5_L8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks & Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kankana Bhattacharjee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 11:06 AM Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have included the individual bond section in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> propane.xml file. Now, distribution is generating.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, for getting non-bonded parameters, which procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should I have to follow ? I can use either Force Matching 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or Iterative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> methods to get non-bonded parameters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 9:49 AM Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used this command line for bonded distribution:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> csg_boltzmann --top topol.tpr --trj traj.trr --cg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> propane.xml <  boltzmann_cmds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After that, got average bond length and angle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution. And, bond section is already present in my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> propane.xml file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, still dint get any plottable bond1.dist.ib and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bond2.dist.ib files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am attaching the files here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Please kindly help me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks & Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kankana Bhattacharjee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 7:26 AM Christoph Junghans <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 5:22 AM Kankana Bhattacharjee <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to generate the histogram of bonded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution and convert into the boltzmann inverted 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential for single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> propane which is given in the tutorial. Since, in case 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of CG propane two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bond length is present (A1-B1 and B1-A2) which is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> propane.xml file and similarly one angle. So, I am not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can I generate distribution of every bond of propane 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> molecule. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performed short 5 ps run of single propane molecule. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I am adding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line in boltzmann.cmds as:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hist bond1.dist.ib *:bond1:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hist bond2.dist.ib *:bond2:*, then no plottable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bond1.dist.ib/bond2.dist.ib is generating.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't want to average over the 2 bonds the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easiest way to do that is to add another bond block here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/votca/votca/blob/master/csg-tutorials/propane/atomistic/propane.xml#L34_L40
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the names should be "bond1" and "bond2" for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then run csg_stat (or csg_boltzmann):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/votca/votca/blob/master/csg-tutorials/propane/atomistic/run.sh#L22
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My aim is to generate the every bond length histogram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please provide me the suggestions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks & Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kankana Bhattacharjee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ph. D. Scholar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Department of Chemistry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ashoka University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonipat, Haryana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 10:45 AM Christoph Junghans <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 10:46 PM Kankana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhattacharjee <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok sir.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have tried to perform boltzmann inversion after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> short (5 ps) atomistic MD run of propane. I am 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attaching the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grompp.mdp file of the atomistic run, distributed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bonded potential files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and boltzmann inverted bonded potential files. But, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not understanding how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these potential are helping in generating the itp file 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of CG propane.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well once you have the inverted potentials you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use them in the CG run, *.pot is the VOTCA format, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convert to xvg (see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.votca.org/csg/preparing.html#exporting-the-table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the table_a1 (a1 for Angle 1) and table_b1 (b1 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bond 1) in the propane tutorials were generated this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/votca/votca/tree/master/csg-tutorials/propane/ibi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, the thing which I understood is that, boltzmann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inversion is used for getting all atom inverted 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential and force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matching is used for getting non-bonded potentials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For you can use iterative boltzmann inversion for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the non-bonded interactions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Force-matching works for bonded interactions as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, but VOTCA has implemented that)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CG propane itp  (topol.top) file is available in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibi/imc methods part of votca. Can it be supplied in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performing CG-MD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulation using GROMACS ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you run the propane tutorial after a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps you will have some tabulated potential that you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can use for CG-MD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:12:10 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 10:10 AM Christoph Junghans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 10:33 PM Kankana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhattacharjee <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you sir. I would like to know, how can one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get gromacs compatible itp file for a Coarse grained 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> model using votca ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is all tabulated interaction, hence no itp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the interactions are determined by IBI, IMC or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Force Matching, whatever you prefer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:02:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 9:58 AM Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Junghans <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 10:13 PM Kankana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhattacharjee <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot sir for your kind help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have gone through the topol.top file of spce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and propane model using ibi method. I have doubts, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how did you define the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass of the beads, charge, bond and angle between 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beads in topol.top file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the CG model ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For a center of mass mapping it is just the sum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the masses (and charges), but of course you can 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do other mappings, too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In general making a coarse-grained model is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> art than science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  05/29/23,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:41:28 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 9:15 PM Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Junghans <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 7:23 AM Kankana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhattacharjee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I am learning votca. Now, I have done spce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water model atomistic md run. In the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spce/atomistic foolder, grompp.mdp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contains integrator as "sd" . And, I used this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settings for short MD run.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, used csg_tool to compute rdf of CG-CG beads 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and compared with CG-CG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ibi. Then, I dint understand the "Running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibi" part of the spce model.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been asked to reduce the number of MD 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps in grompp.mdp and adjust
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the equilibration time in the settings.xml file. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly how to adjust this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and why ? I have skipped the "Running ibi" option.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the number of MD steps is in grompp.mdp,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while the equilibration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time is in settings.xml. Longer run will give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you smoother RDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the system usually needs some time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equilibrate from the initial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition, so you don't want to pick that too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> short. In the tutorial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we ask folks to explore these options to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some feel for statistics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Second;y, I did force matching part exactly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, dint understand exactly what is happening. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like, If I want to generate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gromacs compatible forcefield.itp for a coarse 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grained model and perform MD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulation using gromacs. THen, how can I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generate ttp file for a molecule.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Force matching return a tabulated force that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can then be used to run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the coarse-grained simulation. Have a look at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the topol.top of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spce/ibi example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks & Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Kankana Bhattacharjee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph Junghans
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 07:13:42 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph Junghans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://www.compphys.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph Junghans
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christoph Junghans
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://www.compphys.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Christoph Junghans
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://www.compphys.de
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Christoph Junghans
>>>>>>> Web: http://www.compphys.de
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Christoph Junghans
>>>>> Web: http://www.compphys.de
>>>>>
>>>>
>
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