That's the point Ray, this wasn't a case of poor communication; it was a
matter of NO communication. Communication between the individuals involved
WAS attempted. It didn't work. If it had, none of this would have been
necessary.
Also, the problem needed to be addressed so that it could be avoided in the
future. If you know of a way of doing that without discussing it publicly
please let me know. If the problem doesn't get resolved then we risk having
no swaps in the future. If my bringing this issue up in the group helps
alleviate the situation in the future then bruising a few delicate feelings
will be worth it to me.
I made my point and that should be have been enough. If anyone else wants
to discuss these issues further I'll be glad to oblige them although I'd
really rather not. I would much rather be testing 11 new flies instead of 7
and have a good report to return on the swap so that I (and others) could
look forward to the next one. I would also like to drop the matter but
you'll never convince me that I shouldn't have expressed my opinion on this
matter.
Keith
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Feathers from afar.
Yea, it's bad when people leave others hanging due to poor communication.
But this discussion should be between the individuals involved, NOT the
entire list.
Let's get back to the regularly scheduled fishing discussions.
Ray
> This isn't mud at all Jeff. It's asking people to be accountable and
> responsible for their actions. The reason I brought this up is that
people
> need to know they are making a commitment when they enter a swap so that
we
> can avoid this problem in the future. Life isn't always a bed of roses
and
> neither is this list. The fact that it took longer than expected was not
> the biggest problem other than the extra work for Danny in trying to get
> people to communicate.
>
> This is also a response to John Abbott. John had a lousy Christmas with
two
> deaths in the family. He took the time to communicate and we appreciate
> that very much. If Justin and Pat had reasons for not living up to them
> they should have communicated them. If they had, it would not have been
> necessary for me to be critical.
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:31 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: Feathers from afar.
>
>
> Did this "mud" really need to be slung on this list?
>
> Maybe Justin's wife passed away, maybe Pat has been in China for the last
> two months, etc.
>
> Let's try to act like mature adults here, not tattle-tales.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Is it really that big of deal if a fly swap takes a few weeks longer to
> complete?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Bell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:24 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Feathers from afar.
>
>
> Justin,
>
> We haven't heard from you for a while. As a person who actively promoted
> the last Fly Swap you were also one of several that flaked out without a
> single response to many emails from Danny McMillin; swapmeister. He
waited
> an extra month but never heard anything. I, for one, was very
disappointed
> with Justin in particular. Also flaking out without ever responding to
> emails was Pat Bolton; since he did not actively promote the Fly Swap he
> gets fewer demerits. Greg Mindt also flaked out but at least he had the
> courtesy to correspond. Overall I was very surprised at the lack of
> responsibility and motivation on the part of these tiers. Danny did a
super
> job but I know he was put in a very frustrating and embarrassing position
> because he had to explain to the others why there were delays and
repeatedly
> try to get the slackers to respond and fulfill their commitment. I hope
> that this doesn't put the nix on future swaps but I also hope that people
> will act like mature adults. This can be a really fun thing but everyone
> has to do their part; it's simple really. Unfortunately, this situation
> needed to be brought to the attention of the list.
>
> Keith
>
>
