On 27/01/2013, at 6:14 PM, Ronda Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

> Peter I just realised your questions had nothing to do with the Subject 
> thread that you asked your question on. 
> So in the interest of people who do search the Archives of WAMUG for 
> previously answered queries, I have change the subject to better reflect your 
> questions.
> 
> Please people to make our job a little easier, give your operating system, 
> details of your computer, and  application version and any other details that 
> might be pertinent to your questions.
> --- 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> We have told people how to disable Java plenty of times on WAMUG.
I don't have java enabled in the Safari preferences (as per previous 
recommendations)
> 
> A simple way to see if you have Java installed is to open an application that 
> requires it, and one of these that is included with OS X is the Java 
> Preferences utility. 
> Go to the /Applications/Utilities/ folder in OS X and launch the Java 
> Preferences program, and if it opens and shows various configuration options, 
> then you have Java installed; however, it if shows a message stating you need 
> Java and provides you with an option to install it, then you do not have Java 
> installed.
> 
> Or use Use the Terminal
> The OS X Terminal (in the /Applications/Utilities/ folder) provided access to 
> a number of commands that can be used for looking up system information, and 
> by running the following one in the Terminal you should be able to see in the 
> output what Java runtimes (if any) are installed on your computer:
> sudo /usr/libexec/java_home
> 
> To check if Flash Player is installed on your computer
> <http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html>
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/01/2013, at 5:14 PM, Curtis Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> Just out of curiosity, how do you tell if you have java and/or flash? They 
>> don't appear in your Applications Folder do they?
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> On 27/01/2013, at 4:34 PM, Peter Hinchliffe <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 25/01/2013, at 9:51 AM, Ken Jackson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks  Ronni,
>>>> 
>>>> have successfully removed Applejack.
>>>> Is there another program that will do what Applejack does that runs in ML?
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a consensus by everyone as to the best malware protection for the
>>>> Mac?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks & regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Ken
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ken Jackson
>>> 
>>> Time to bring out the soapbox again...
>>> 
>>> I doubt if you'll truly get a consensus on the best malware protection 
>>> SOFTWARE for the Mac, since I personally don't think that such an animal 
>>> exists (so any "consensus" certainly wouldn't include me!) but as far as 
>>> the best malware PROTECTION is concerned (to answer your question 
>>> literally), that's easy: it's your own behaviour. At this point in time, 
>>> there are no true viruses on the Mac platform. There is a handful of 
>>> examples of other exploitative software out there, but these all come under 
>>> the classification of Trojan Horses, meaning that they require the 
>>> permission of the user before they can affect your computer. They also 
>>> invariably get to your Mac through third party software such as Java, Adobe 
>>> Reader, Flash and a few others. The best advice is to keep your Mac OS up 
>>> to date, and avoid using (or disabling completely) Java, Adobe Reader 
>>> (Safari copes natively with 99% of the PDFs you're likely to come across) 
>>> and Flash (install Click2Flash to reduce Flash proble
 m
> 
> s
>> t
>>> 
>>> o an absolute minimum).
>>> 
>>> Apart from this, all the usual personal behaviour rules apply: don't open 
>>> attachments from unknown senders, don't download software from peer-to-peer 
>>> sites, keep your OS up to date, don't reply to unsolicited emails, don't 
>>> click on URLs in unsolicited emails. No software can protect you against 
>>> any of this behaviour (even on Windows).
>>> 
>>> Unlike Windows, there are still no reported cases of MacOS being infected 
>>> by a virus (ie, software that arrives uninvited, without any interaction 
>>> from the user, and is passed on to other computers ); and unlike OS X, even 
>>> Windows 7 has been reported to have been infected in under 10 minutes on an 
>>> unprotected computer.  
>>> 
>>> In my experience, the only thing at which most malware protection software 
>>> for the Mac is successful is the slowing down of your computer with little 
>>> to show for it, but if you truly feel that you need to install something, 
>>> go for something unobtrusive like ClamAV (free) or ESET Cybersecurity 
>>> (http://www.eset.com/ch-en/home/products/cybersecurity/ - not free but has 
>>> a good reputation).
>>> 
>>> Getting back down from the soapbox now...
>>> 
>>> Peter Hinchliffe        Apwin Computer Services
>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482    Mob 0403 046 948
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