Bill, I don't agree that iCloud is only useful for finding a lost phone.
I didn't seek advise on iCloud security nor what my personal choices of how the technology suits my lifestyle should be. The purpose for my initial request for guidance and support on a technical matter has been resolved. Tim Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2 > On 2 Jan 2017, at 1:43 pm, Bill Parker <[email protected]> wrote: > > Time, > > I don’t think its necessary to be forced by Apple to do anything. I use Bing > to search and unless I clear all sites after doing so I notice ads popping up > for service I was previously searching for. Kill off Cookies! iCloud? > Extremely useful for finding a lost phone, but not much else. > > > Bill >> On 2 Jan 2017, at 12:05, Tim Law <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Michael my recollection from the last month, was that prior to me making a >> decision to use iCloud to sync my Photos, that I used iTunes, which I >> understand is the default, or at least was the only option for many years. >> >> This worked fine, but for the reasons I have already stated, I chose to use >> iCloud for Photos, and in fact, for the full suite of its capacity - >> Keychain, Find my iPhone, Contacts, Calendar etc. Now the ‘stuck’ issue >> has been resolved, it works fine for me, and as I said, my recollection is >> that using anything to sync is optional - iTunes still works across the home >> network and for years did this without fuss and no use of external data. >> Yes, I do live and function within constant access to 4G coverage and cable >> broadband. I also travel remotely and prepare myself for the inevitable loss >> of connectivity by ensuring I have local copies of data I may need. I >> understand not everyone is as privileged as I am. Sadly, I cannot resolve >> this, but I do believe Apple accommodates by giving syncing options that are >> quite reasonable. >> >> I’m not sure Apple is forcing anyone to do anything - choosing iTunes, or >> iCloud, or nothing to sync photos or other choices is the user choice. If >> you have found iCloud syncing is turned on by default, I would be surprised >> as I found I needed to sign into iCloud for all this to work, and during >> that sign in process, there are options I had to tick, or untick to select >> my options. >> >> I’ve never found anything I have loaded to my Apple servers being used for >> commercial gain “that I know about”. I find it amusing that many people, >> not saying you’re in this group Michael, use a free platform such as >> Facebook for an enormous amount of personal data. It’s all free, zilch, no >> cost, same as Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat etc etc and then there is an >> outcry when these companies need to make money to continue to provide this >> free platform. They get money from advertising that tracks our usage and >> viewing habits and targets advertising to ’suit’ us. I’m sure Google Maps, >> or TomTom sell data to transport planners that they collect as we use route >> directions on connected GPS devices. Is this not the same thing as using our >> information for commercial gain? >> >> My recollection of the Census fiasco was that no data was lost nor >> corrupted. There were connection issues that we all experienced, but there >> was no data loss nor hacking. >> >> I am sorry you are frustrated Michael, but this is drifting well away from >> my original query about the technical aspects of me using iCloud. As I see >> it, you DO have choices and iCloud is not set by default. There are many >> things to get frustrated about in the world, there appears to be no reason >> to make this one more of them. >> >> Best wishes for the New Year. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >>> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:40 AM, Michael Hawkins >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Tim. What underpinned my email was my frustration with what I see as >>> Apple's less than open tactic of making uploading to iCloud the default >>> setting when iOS updates are released. I don't know what the privacy laws >>> are in whichever Country the server is housed, and the debacle with the >>> Australian census last year illustrates that no system is safe from >>> database corruption. >>> >>> If someone has more than one Apple device and wants to share content >>> between the devices or make it possible for one device to access another, >>> it should be that person's decision to set the system up so that that can >>> be done. >>> >>> We don't all live in a location with ready Internet access, or quick upload >>> and download speeds. Nor do we all live in a place where access to the >>> Internet is cheap. >>> >>> In other words the decision to transmit data over the internet should be a >>> conscious deliberate decision made by the person who owns the data, and >>> causing the data to be uploaded by default for commercial gain is >>> reprehensible. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Michael >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:14 am, Tim Law <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Fair question Michael, >>>> >>>> The advantage of iCloud syncing as I see it, is that you can have one >>>> ‘master’ computer where you download and store the originals photos, AS >>>> WELL AS storing the full sized versions on the cloud. This enables Time >>>> Machine and Super Duper to back up the photos if iCloud flies away into >>>> dark matter. I’ve lost many photos before due to hard disk failure and >>>> don’t want to go through that again. >>>> >>>> The other advantage is that it only downloads smaller images to all the >>>> other devices, sized to suit that device. The entire photo library is on >>>> each of these devices, all 15000, not like using Photo Stream which only >>>> put 1000 photos on the mobile devices. I am not likely to NEED to view >>>> all those on the other devices, but inevitably when I wanted to show >>>> someone a photo from a year before for example, when using Photo Stream, >>>> and iTunes sync, it was not in either folder. >>>> >>>> I did try to do what you suggest, but the MacBook Pro did not have enough >>>> storage capacity for the full Photos Library, and there was really no need >>>> to have more than one computer with full sized images. If you need to edit >>>> or print the full sized images, they are downloaded from iCloud as needed >>>> to the specific device. >>>> >>>> I trust this explains my logic. >>>> >>>> I have stopped taking photos in RAW which complicates matters somewhat >>>> when sharing via iCloud. What I have found is that a photo that has both >>>> JPEG and RAW version is impossible to select between in iOS devices. So if >>>> I want to attach a photo to an email, it must be in JPEG not RAW, and >>>> several times I have done it, only the RAW version - at some 20mb - is >>>> able to be attached. I’m now taking full sized JPEG instead and these run >>>> to around 8mb per image, and the size is managed by Mail when sending. I >>>> am not sure if there is a way around the way iCloud manages RAW image >>>> syncing to iOS devices - happy to hear suggestions. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 31 Dec 2016, at 8:45 PM, Michael Hawkins >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Pardon me for asking this, but wouldn't have been faster and simpler to >>>>> physically connect one computer to the other? >>>>> >>>>> Michael >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 31 Dec 2016, at 1:07 pm, Tim Law <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Update. For the benefit of anyone else having similar problems with >>>>>> iCloud syncing ‘stuck’. >>>>>> >>>>>> I now have a reasonable degree of confidence that Photos has been sorted >>>>>> and will now correctly sync with iCloud over four devices. >>>>>> This has not been the easy process I had expected. I discovered that >>>>>> creating a new library I could keep the original library and not risk >>>>>> losing data. Only one library can be the ‘system library’ and sync with >>>>>> iCloud. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have one computer that is ticked to download originals and that >>>>>> computer is now showing ‘all up to date’ in Photos. Yay. >>>>>> >>>>>> My mobile devices have always synced well with iCloud and update any >>>>>> changes immediately. >>>>>> >>>>>> My laptop had been refusing to sync correctly with iCloud and was stuck >>>>>> for a week. After signing out of iCloud, restarting the computer in Safe >>>>>> Mode, then restarting again in normal mode, rebuilding the Photo Library >>>>>> with no change, I ended up creating a new Library, then turned iCloud >>>>>> syncing back on and it is currently downloading the contents of my >>>>>> iCloud photo gallery, some 50Gb, so will take a while. >>>>>> >>>>>> I lost track of how many times I found Photos trying to upload the >>>>>> entire 15000 photos to iCloud, at least five, and am grateful to have a >>>>>> 1000Gb plan with Bigpond on cable so had the capacity for such nonsense. >>>>>> >>>>>> I expect my problems are now on the way to being resolved. Looking >>>>>> forward to happy Photos syncing in the New Year. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2016, at 7:28 PM, Tim Law <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> EEEk,,, :-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Restarted Mac Mini. >>>>>>> This got the upload moving again - yay. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "uploading 100 to go" >>>>>>> "50 to go" looking good. >>>>>>> "uploading 1 item" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Success I’m thinking. >>>>>>> Suddenly it is uploading 15,827 items - AGAIN! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sigh ….. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve quit Photos and will see what mood it is in tomorrow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2016, at 6:35 PM, Tim Law <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good evening, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am hoping to find out how to reset the sync data to force one >>>>>>>> computer to reset the sync data for loading Photos to iCloud >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Two weeks, or more, ago, I turned on iCloud storage for Photos on four >>>>>>>> devices. >>>>>>>> All are logged into the same iCloud account, although some are @me.com >>>>>>>> and some are @mac.com email address names. I understand this is >>>>>>>> insignificant. I have checked at https://appleid.apple.com/ and found >>>>>>>> all four devices are logged into the same Apple ID >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mac Mini - 10.11.6 Cannot be upgraded to Sierra >>>>>>>> Mac Book Pro macOS 10.12.1 >>>>>>>> iPhone 6S iOS 10.1.1 >>>>>>>> iPad Air 2 iOS 10.1.1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In order to keep a current back-up, I have turned on ‘Download >>>>>>>> originals to this Mac’ on the Mac Mini which is my ‘main’ computer. >>>>>>>> Data is backed up using Time Machine and Super Duper. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All the mobile devices have the same number of photos and videos as >>>>>>>> each other and as is https://www.icloud.com/#photos2 which is 15,003 >>>>>>>> The Mac Mini registers it should have 14752. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac Mini is Stuck at uploading an extra 1878 photos and has been >>>>>>>> for over 24 hours. This is the second time this has happened and it >>>>>>>> has taken a week to upload the 55Gb of data a second time. Photo’s >>>>>>>> triggered itself into a reload of all photos after I turned off iCloud >>>>>>>> Photo Library in an effort to get the devices correctly syncing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I delete, or add, a photo to any of the mobile devices, it is >>>>>>>> shared to the other mobile devices quickly. >>>>>>>> Photos on the Mac Mini has kept several photos that have been deleted >>>>>>>> for days on the other devices. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> During the week I can see the CPU working hard on iCloud or Photos, >>>>>>>> then I see the upload loading to iCloud. It varies between activity on >>>>>>>> both, but once ‘stuck’ on 1878 to go, there is no activity showing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have tried the Pause for One Day button in Photos but nothing forces >>>>>>>> the reset and correction as I thought it would. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think I need to find a file that contains the sync data and remove >>>>>>>> it as I suspect it has got corrupted somehow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there such a file and are my ideas sensible or is there another >>>>>>>> option. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’ve been patient for two or more weeks with Photos and iCloud - like >>>>>>>> the forums suggest - now is the time for a hammer!! kidding >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ideas welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What about turning off iCloud Photo Library, deleting all the photos >>>>>>>> in the Mac Mini library….. eeeek….. and then turning it back on again >>>>>>>> so all the 55Gb will download. 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