You are right as usual Ronni. It is getting confusing with the old header still there.
> On 9 May 2018, at 3:44 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Stephen, > > You should really have started a new Subject relating to your current > problem, as the subject “Re: Strange redirection has blocked Gumtree access?” > has been solved. > > iPhoto has to be the final version released iPhoto 9.6.1 (you cannot download > it anymore). > Also you need to do some Preparation before upgrading to High Sierra. I > posted details the other day to Alan’s post. > And always after installation is completed you need to run Software Update > again, as there is normally some updates to install. > > And… The new version of macOS High Sierra 10.13 drops support of 32-bit apps > Get ready for that and check which of your apps are still 32-bit. > > 1. Go to Apple Menu > 2. About This Mac > 3. System Report > 4. Software > Applications > In the final column you can see whether it’s a 64-bit application. > Any App that is NOT 64-bit will NOT work in High Sierra. > > Cheers, > Ronni > > > >> On 9 May 2018, at 2:40 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi Ronni. >> >> I have asked her to check. >> And will come back to you. >> >>> On 9 May 2018, at 12:45 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> What version of iPhoto does she have installed? >>> >>> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >>> >>> >>> On 9 May 2018, at 12:17 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> OK ! >>>> >>>> Got iPhoto Library restored from Time Machine. >>>> I have no idea where it went to originally. >>>> But iPhoto is now working. >>>> >>>> Her iMac has OS 10.9.5 installed at the moment. >>>> But if I go to App Store it tells me that High Sierra was installed on 5 >>>> May 2018. >>>> Seeks like a contradiction to me. >>>> However there is an Updater sitting in her Applications Folder. >>>> >>>> Looks like she has downloaded the High Sierra update, but then not >>>> installed it. >>>> So now her iMac thinks it is running High Sierra, but is isn’t yet. >>>> >>>> Now wondering if I should run the update that is sitting there ? >>>> Her iMac is a Mid 2010 so I guess it should be OK (Apple says Late 2009 or >>>> later). >>>> Any thoughts please ? >>>> >>>>> On 9 May 2018, at 8:39 am, Stephen Chape <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> >>>>> She has Time Machine running because I set it up for her a while back. >>>>> So might try to find iPhoto Library on that this morning. >>>>> >>>>>> On 9 May 2018, at 7:46 am, Alan Smith <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Stephen >>>>>> >>>>>> I sent a reply in error from my iPad which is probably not relevant. My >>>>>> advice is to do nothing for a few days. >>>>>> >>>>>> On my recent macOS upgrade from Mavericks the Photos app did not >>>>>> automatically install. It had been in the incompatible update list for >>>>>> “years” (with pages, etc). It then became available to download for >>>>>> about two days after High Sierra was installed, then it disappeared. >>>>>> These “missing” incompatible apps can be downloaded - and will even >>>>>> possible return to the automatic “software updates available" list in >>>>>> another few days. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also had a notification to install the final release of iPhotos which >>>>>> give the additional coding needed for migration to Photos. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8 May 2018, at 11:49 pm, Daniel Kerr <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Stephen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The first thing I would do before doing anything else, is to make sure >>>>>>> there is a backup! The second thing I would do,…is make sure there is a >>>>>>> backup!! >>>>>>> Have a search for “photo” and see if anything turns up (e.g. iPhoto, >>>>>>> Photos, Photos Library, iPhotos Library. (also look in the Trash). >>>>>>> Just incase any of them have been moved to different locations. >>>>>>> This may then help narrow it down for the reminder of the things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’d be a bit “cautious’ of re-installing an OS install there without >>>>>>> knowing which one it is (e.g. Mavericks was 10.9, Yosemite 10.10, El >>>>>>> Capitan 10.11, Sierra 10.12 and of course High Sierra 10.13). >>>>>>> (And for those playing along 10.0 was Cheetah, 10.1 was Puma , 10.2 Was >>>>>>> Jaguar, 10.3 was Panther, 10.4 was Tiger, 10.5 was Leopard, 10.6 was >>>>>>> Snow Leopard, 10.7 was Lion, and 10.8 was Mountain Lion - and I didn’t >>>>>>> even have to go look that up,….lol). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are running 10.9.5, you could try the last patch Combo installer >>>>>>> again. This may get the iPhoto back (though sometimes if it’s not there >>>>>>> it won’t “update” it). >>>>>>> You can get the full Combo update here - >>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1760 >>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1760> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But without seeing the machine, or a bit more info I’d be a bit >>>>>>> cautious of which steps to take, as obviously wouldn’t want to do >>>>>>> anything to make it “worse”. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope something there helps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> Daniel Kerr >>>>>>> MacWizardry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>>>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au <http://macwizardry.com.au/>> >>>>>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au <http://www.macwizardry.com.au/>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **For everything Apple** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion >>>>>>> and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of >>>>>>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any >>>>>>> form of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if >>>>>>> any information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or >>>>>>> copied, that permission by the author be requested. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8 May 2018, at 11:08 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you Ronni and Peter. >>>>>>>> The issue here is that I cannot find Photos in the Applications folder. >>>>>>>> I also cannot find iPhoto Library in the Pictures folder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will have to take another look, but I am pretty sure the OS >>>>>>>> installed is 10.9.5 >>>>>>>> And when I clicked on Software Update it said already updated. >>>>>>>> I also think I saw a downloaded OS updater sitting in her Applications >>>>>>>> folder. >>>>>>>> What might happen if I run that updater again ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gee … this is hard being half an hour from where this Mac is located. >>>>>>>> I may go back there tomorrow for another look. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 8 May 2018, at 9:57 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, you have a good memory there Ronni. I remember that time when I >>>>>>>>> got it messed up and with your help got it sorted. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 8 May 2018, at 8:31 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Stephen & Peter, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Photos was introduced in OS X Yosemite 10.10.3 software update? What >>>>>>>>>> version of OS X did she just upgrade to High Sierra? >>>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>>> Her iPhoto Library will still be in the default location (User Home >>>>>>>>>> > Pictures folder) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I posted to WAMUG on 27 April 2015 4:29pm Subject: Re: iPhoto to >>>>>>>>>> Photos migration, after Walter and Peter did not do it correctly. >>>>>>>>>> I’ve copied my email below: >>>>>>>>>> — >>>>>>>>>> Hi Walter and all members who are confused how to migrate/import to >>>>>>>>>> Photos from iPhoto. Walter & Peter have not done it correctly. >>>>>>>>>> Walter the first time you open Photos you do not import any photos >>>>>>>>>> from the desktop, you are doing a transition/import of your complete >>>>>>>>>> iPhoto Library. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How to: Move your iPhoto or Aperture Library to Photos >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As you have previously been using iPhoto or Aperture on your Mac and >>>>>>>>>> iPhoto Library or Aperture Library is in the default location (User >>>>>>>>>> Home > Pictures folder) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. When you first clicked on Photos app and the Welcome Screen >>>>>>>>>> appears, you should click on the Blue Box 'Get Started'. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. If you were previously using iPhoto or Aperture, after clicking >>>>>>>>>> the 'Get Started', it searches your system and detects your iPhoto >>>>>>>>>> and Aperture libraries. >>>>>>>>>> Select which Library you want to use with Photos from the list >>>>>>>>>> Which (unless you changed the name of your iPhoto Library) will be >>>>>>>>>> 'iPhoto Library' >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3. Once you select the library, it presents the option to set up >>>>>>>>>> iCloud Photo Library, (Apple's iCloud-based photo and video syncing >>>>>>>>>> and storage service. This will allow you to sync all the Photos from >>>>>>>>>> your Mac and iOS device to each of your other devices, keeping your >>>>>>>>>> edits and albums in sync.) >>>>>>>>>> At this stage, especially if you are not sure about putting ALL your >>>>>>>>>> pictures into iCloud Photo Library - I recommend you DON'T - (you >>>>>>>>>> can always set that up later under Photo's Preferences from the menu >>>>>>>>>> bar; it's optional and never required unless you want automatic, >>>>>>>>>> cloud-based syncing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 4. It then starts to Prepare your library to transition to Photos. >>>>>>>>>> Your old photo libraries will stay on your Mac if you decide you >>>>>>>>>> want to use iPhoto or Aperture (because it is more for Professional >>>>>>>>>> photographers & has more powerful editing tools and built-in support >>>>>>>>>> for external editors). >>>>>>>>>> However, if you make any changes in those libraries, they will NOT >>>>>>>>>> automatically sync over to your new Photos Library.... As I >>>>>>>>>> mentioned in my previous email below. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Most of the data from iPhoto and Aperture will transfer to the >>>>>>>>>> Photos app. Faces is still the same. Also, if you were using star >>>>>>>>>> ratings, flags and color labels in iPhoto & Aperture, they are still >>>>>>>>>> around in Photos, but they are now Keywords and assigned to the >>>>>>>>>> photos. You'll notice your Events from your previous photo library >>>>>>>>>> is organised alongside albums in the new Photos app preserving your >>>>>>>>>> organisation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hopefully this email and my previous emails to the list will help >>>>>>>>>> clear any confusion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On my own Macs and my clients Macs the transition has gone very >>>>>>>>>> smoothly and easy without any issues at all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014) >>>>>>>>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz >>>>>>>>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM >>>>>>>>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8 May 2018, at 7:41 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stephen, my recollection of the upgrade from iPhoto to Photos is >>>>>>>>>>> commenced when the User selects Photos for the first time after the >>>>>>>>>>> OSX upgrade. The on screen questions will be self explanatory from >>>>>>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8 May 2018, at 6:22 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you once again Ronni. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I visited my daughter today and carried out your suggestions. >>>>>>>>>>>> All works perfectly now. >>>>>>>>>>>> I reckon the crucial thing was removing Gumtree data. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However whilst I was there I noticed she had upgraded to High >>>>>>>>>>>> Sierra 3 days ago. >>>>>>>>>>>> I had previously advised her not to do this because her iMac is >>>>>>>>>>>> 2010 and her internet speed is terrible. >>>>>>>>>>>> I asked her about it and she said “might have been something I >>>>>>>>>>>> clicked on”. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But I noticed that she still had iPhoto in the Dock. >>>>>>>>>>>> When I clicked on iPhoto it was not able to find the Library. >>>>>>>>>>>> So I looked for Photos in the Applications folder …. NOT THERE ! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn’t the upgrade have installed Photos and replaced iPhoto ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2018, at 1:24 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stephen, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bit of a tricky issue, especially when none of us are >>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing the problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don’t know what OS or version of Safari your daughter is >>>>>>>>>>>>> running. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure that "private browsing” is turned off on Safari >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/en-au/KM204854?cid=acs::applesearch >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/KM204854?cid=acs::applesearch>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Safari 11.1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Check Safari Preferences: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Security - Web content: ✔Enable JavaScript is selected and Block >>>>>>>>>>>>> pop-up windows is NOT selected >>>>>>>>>>>>> Privacy - Cookies and website data: Block all cookies (is NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>> selected) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Extensions - if AdBlock is installed - disable it to test for >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gumtree. And disable other extensions that could be causing the >>>>>>>>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>> You can turn them back on after testing if required. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You definitely removed data related to the Gumtree website? >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Choose Safari > Preferences. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Click the Privacy icon. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Click the ‘Manage Website Data’ button >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Search for the name the website ‘gumtree’ whose data you want >>>>>>>>>>>>> to remove. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. In the results list, click the domain gumtree.com.au >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://gumtree.com.au/> that has data you want to remove. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Click Remove All. >>>>>>>>>>>>> When you're finished, click Done and close the preferences window. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: You will need all login details for your daughter’s access >>>>>>>>>>>>> to her gumtree account. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When finished Quit Safari - then Open Safari and test the >>>>>>>>>>>>> gumtree.com.au <http://gumtree.com.au/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2018, at 10:52 am, Stephen Chape <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ronni. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas what I should look for in Safari please ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will probably go to her place in next few days. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 May 2018, at 3:13 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ronni. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just got word back that Gumtree works fine with Chrome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So looks like Safari requires attention ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2018, at 3:31 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Ronni. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I did that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am half hour away from her place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I have asked her to try using Chrome and let me know what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2018, at 12:12 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But did you Clear the cache and remove cookies first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Quit Safari after clearing the cache file & cookies for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gumtree website. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPhone 7 Plus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2018, at 9:44 am, Stephen Chape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ronni. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is Safari. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tried Login as user. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tried browsing without login. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same result. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think her son has Chrome installed so will try that and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> report back. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2018, at 7:40 am, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stephen, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What web browser is this happening on, Firefox or Safari? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ask her to try access Gumtree & login on another web >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clear the cache and remove cookies from the website that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causing the problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your daughter would need to enter her login details again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cdn.districtm.io <http://cdn.districtm.io/> could be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> associated with handling Gumtree transactions? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://cdn.districtm.io.w3snoop.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cdn.districtm.io.w3snoop.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Apr 2018, at 1:36 pm, Stephen Chape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A couple of weeks ago my daughter had trouble accessing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gumtree. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did not matter if she tried to log in or just tried as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each time she tried she was re-directed to this website: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cdn.districtm.io <http://cdn.districtm.io/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no trouble using my iMac when logging in to Gumtree. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have scanned her iMac using MalwareBytes but nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But now she tells me every time she goes to Gumtree she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finishes up with a blank white screen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even just using www.gumtree.com.au >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.gumtree.com.au/> she gets the same thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas please folks ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have tried Googling cdn.districtm.io >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cdn.districtm.io/> but have not really learnt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Chape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> Regards, Stephen Chape
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