Hi Ronni, after confirming the backup had completed and while I was out, my son 
took the Macbook to use and eventually it stopped again, black screen and fan 
whirring at full speed. I read your previous response and did that. A whole 
bunch of unintelligible (to me) DOS like information. I scanned over it and 
didn’t see anything I could interpret usefully. In any case it took me 
eventually to the login screen. My suspicion, following your previous email was 
that the issue was the SMC Fan Control third party app he had installed about 2 
weeks back. So once I got in, I located it in the Downloads folder and Moved to 
Trash (I think the app was running from the Downlaods folder and not the 
Applications folder). Then upon emptying the Trash can - but not concluding 
that event, the screen went black. I still think it was that app that was the 
cause of all this. Now, the Safe Mode (or Safe/Verbose Mode) boot attempts do 
nothing but start the fan up and screen black. 

I’m leaving it for now as I am unsure what to do next. 

Regards


Pete

> On 19 May 2018, at 2:22 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I would have suggested you had first tried to startup in Safe Mode / Verbose 
> Mode.
> To get some feedback about what's happening, you choose to start up while 
> holding down Shift, Command and V: that enters both Safe Boot and Verbose 
> Mode, which spits out some messages about what Safe Boot is actually trying 
> to do as it goes.
> 
> Using Safe Mode can help you resolve issues that are stopping your Mac from 
> starting up, or any issues related to your startup disk.
> If a problem you’ve been having doesn’t occur when you boot to safe mode then 
> it’s a safe bet it’s related to a problematic kernel extension (perhaps 
> faulty hardware that kernel extension accesses), or – and this is more likely 
> – it’s related to a third-party app or service configured to start with macOS.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS High Sierra 10.13.4
> 
> P.S. Best of Luck to your Eagles to knock off the Premiers ’Tigers’ tomorrow 
> ;-))
> 
>> On 19 May 2018, at 11:43 am, Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> HI there, this morning my sons MacBook Pro (late 2011 500GB HDD - Yosemite) 
>> was not booting up after many attempts. The progress bar at boot up would 
>> not commence progressing. I read a few Google tips and figured I would try 
>> Recovery mode which I did then with Disk Utility did a Verify Disk test. It 
>> indicated some errors and “needs repair”. I pressed the Repair Disk button 
>> and left it to itself and that indicated the repair was successful. Then I 
>> selected Reboot on Startup disk which also succeeded. I did need to log into 
>> iCloud again which wasn’t necessarily a surprise. So it all seems fine now 
>> but I wonder is this the start of a failing HDD? He has a Time Capsule 
>> Backup which hadn’t backed up for a couple of weeks (my kids insist on 
>> slamming the lid of the MBP shut when they walk away which interrupts the 
>> backup so it doesn’t ever get a chance to complete unless I intervene!!). 
>> 
>> So backup is completing now. 
>> 
>> With my other son James a couple of years back I successfully replaced his 
>> internal 500GB HDD with a 250GB SSD (supplemented with a 1TB external for 
>> Photos and iTunes libraries) and upgrade to 8GB RAM Because it was very 
>> slow. It all worked fine just slow. This sorted it completely and now a very 
>> fast 2011 MBP.
>> 
>> Should I do the same for Tim’s MBP?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
> 
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