Hi folks. Getting a little tired of the GREAT GAME EAGLES header ! You were right to point this out when was guilty Ronni.
> On 26 May 2018, at 3:56 am, Daniel Kerr <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Peter > > By chance was it a MacBook Pro 15”? Or a 13”? > If it was a 2011 15” then it was more then likely the Graphics Card failed. > They are starting to be “common” failures on that model now unfortunately. > > Kind regards > Daniel > > Sent from my iPhone 7 > > --- > Daniel Kerr > MacWizardry > > Phone: 0414 795 960 > Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> > Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> > > > **For everything Apple** > > NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and > as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. > Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or > accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this > email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the > author be requested. > >> On 25 May 2018, at 9:57 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi there, well I tried all these things down below here and double checked >> my movements within the inside of the MBP and nothing disturbed I could see >> or looked like it shouldn’t from anything I touched. I tried booting with no >> RAM cards, then inserted previously used and operational RAM cards and still >> no change, no chime from it. >> >> So on Thursday, with fully a fully prepared written history of the recent >> events with it I dropped it to a local computer repair shop one I’ve used >> before and they’ve advised they could not resuscitate it. Likely Mother >> Board fault which would be expensive they say. It is a 2011 MBP after all >> but I’m disappointed as it was working fine prior to my son installing this >> third party software. I have no proof this was the cause of the fail but it >> is the most likely suspect. OSX is very reliable when left to itself. >> >> In my final attempts to resurrect it, i thought I’d remove the fan >> altogether, very delicately. In doing that, which was very easy, i noticed >> the small air entry grille was quite plugged with fluff. I suspect this was >> causing the processor to run hot despite the fan running flat out, which in >> turn set Tim about trying to turn it down using his “special” third party >> software” as the fan noise annoyed him. So the root cause was probably the >> restricted air flow into the fan from fluff! >> >> Oh well, now my challenge is to locate another machine and determine how I >> will migrate Tim’s backup without bringing back the SMC Fan Controller >> software in the process. >> >> My choices, once I have a replacement machine (with High Sierra in place), >> are to plug the old HDD via SATA and retrieve using Migration Assistant >> (where I already deleted the SMC Fan Controller) and select the data to be >> retrieved. Important things are Photos library, iTunes and other data but >> not OSX related files. Is this level of selectivity something that MA >> allows? Any other tips in this process? >> >> Thanks for all those who chipped in with help for me in this, I really >> appreciate it folks. >> >> Regards >> >> >> Pete >> >> On 22 May 2018, at 12:04 pm, Neil Houghton <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Pete, >>> >>> A few more thoughts ;o) >>> >>> • OK even though the first thoughts for fans OK but nothing else >>> happens would tend to be a possible power supply or logic board failure – >>> ie a hardware problem with the MBP is looking more likely, as you say you >>> have not much to lose by trying a few long shots. >>> • When things do start to go wrong/fail sometimes an initial problem is >>> seen then other things occur – it is easy to get anchored into trying to >>> troubleshoot the problem by focusing on the original problem/circumstances, >>> whereas there may be additional, more serious, problems that are now >>> present – I’m not saying that anything points to this, just to remain open >>> to that probability. >>> • Having opened up the MBP to remove/change the HDD there is also the >>> possibility you may have disturbed something – this is obviously not the >>> original problem but may be hiding/hindering its solution. >>> >>> So – a few very long shots: >>> • If sound has somehow been set to mute on your MBP you may not hear >>> the start-up chime (well I just tested a restart on my El Capitan iMac >>> after muting and no chime there) >>> • Could the brightness have got set down to minimum on the MBP (though >>> I would still expect that you would see something). >>> • Could you have disturbed any lead/connector whilst in the MBP. >>> • Could the RAM seating have got disturbed whilst you were in the MBP >>> >>> Googling the problem obviously brings up lots of hits as I am sure you have >>> found and perused. You have obviously tried all the obvious steps, as you >>> said below. However, here are a few more long shots: >>> >>> From < https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/6271/> >>> • For me, the key was trying to start the computer with no RAM >>> installed. After that succeeded, I went ahead and put a single RAM chip >>> back in, and it started up. >>> • I put in a system CD and tried booting holding down the 'C' key. >>> Nothing happened. After a few more attempts, and thinking i was done for, I >>> booted it, holding down the CD eject key; wanted my system CD back. Lo and >>> behold, it booted! i have looked at many forums, but have never seen this >>> solution. (5 more posters reported that this worked for them!) >>> >>> And this is an old one for an iMac G5 ;o) – but the logic is not computer >>> specific: >>> One day, it decided not to even give me the POST chime. I took it to the >>> Apple ‘Genious” who promptly told me I needed a new logic board at a cost >>> of $440. I said no thanks and went home. I have been an electronics tech >>> for many years so I wasn’t going to let this go that easily. >>> >>> I built enough clone PC’s back in the day to see a shorted component load >>> down the power supply and cause a seemingly unrelated component to appear >>> dead. This time was no exception. I unplugged everything from the logic >>> board except for the power supply and video connections and hit the power >>> button. Sure enough, I got a chime. Began plugging things back in one at a >>> time until I found the culprit. Turned out to be the hard drive temp >>> sensor. A $24 part if ordered off the internet. No expensive logic board >>> replacement, just a little temp sensor board. >>> >>> I think I’d better give up now ;o) >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> Neil >>> -- >>> Neil R. Houghton >>> Albany, Western Australia >>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Peter >>> Crisp <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: WAMUG <[email protected]> >>> Date: Monday, 21 May 2018 at 21:39 >>> To: WAMUG <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: GREAT GAME EAGLES! >>> >>> Ok, following that test with a known prior running HDD, it is still the >>> same, black screen and gradual fan run up to full speed. >>> >>> I have done a SMC reset (disconnect battery per instructions etc). NVRAM >>> reset, attempt start in Safe mode. >>> >>> The one thing I have noted is there is no start up chime. This chime is >>> seemingly, from all the Apple help, a pre-requisite to forcing the >>> different startup modes - like Safe Mode, etc. >>> >>> I think I am looking at another MBP or MBA. Even if I do that, I am not >>> certain how I can migrate Tims data back into a new machine (with the SMC >>> fan controller thing still present in the backup). I’ve used the Migration >>> Assistant a few times but very infrequently so I can’t recall if I can >>> selectively bring back the data knowing that will remain safe. The failed >>> machine was a Yosemite OSX and a new machine I would go straight to High >>> Sierra. Getting a bit ahead of myself down the Plan B road but considering >>> this still as a likely outcome here. >>> >>> Tonight I am leaving the MBP with AC adaptor off and the fan running away >>> to drain the battery. A very long shot may force the SMC to think in a >>> different way. Not many other choices nor much to loose anyway. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> On 21 May 2018, at 7:39 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Neil and Ronni, I have run the test below to attempt the AHT and as I >>> suspected the MBP wont even entertain it. Screen remains black and the >>> cooling fan starts after about 15-20 seconds and slowly ramps up to full >>> speed. It just remains with the fan running flat out and nothing else to >>> suggest any activity going on in there. >>> >>> I am confident it is not a screen fault as across the weekend before it >>> went completely black all the time, the screen was displaying quite >>> normally. I accept that is not definitive, but my thinking is it is >>> unlikely a screen fail when whilst it was showing HDD anomalies, the screen >>> still displayed ok. Still without the AHT running, I don’t yet know what >>> the fault is. >>> >>> I also tried the NVRAM/PRAM reset “Option/Command/P/R” concurrent with >>> attempted start. Same response - black screen and slow fan ramp up. >>> >>> I don’t actually have a disc that it came with for the external start up >>> test. I do however have my CCC drive for my MBP Retina (High Sierra) and >>> wonder if that could serve as a test for external boot. But even still, the >>> instructions for external drive boot requires that I get a Start up chime, >>> which I don’t get and hence I don’t think it will even enter into this >>> mode. I’ll give it a shot. No good there with that test. >>> >>> I’ve had a thought, I have the removed disc that was in James’ MBP (same >>> model 2011 MBP) with a fully functioning drive in it when it was removed. I >>> will swap it into Tims MBP and see what that does to try eleminiate the >>> hardware of the laptop as being suspect or otherwise. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> On 21 May 2018, at 11:54 am, Neil Houghton <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> Just some thoughts. >>> >>> · The fact that you can mount the HD on another computer does not >>> necessarily mean that there will be no problems with it - or the system >>> installed on it – but it does suggest that the HD is not the cause of the >>> black screen/no life problem of the MBP. >>> · I do not think there is any point trying to fit a new HD until >>> you have determined the hardware status of the MBP. >>> · Even with no HD inside, if the MBP was OK I would expect to see >>> it attempt to start and then display a flashing “?” to indicate that it >>> cannot find a suitable OS to boot from – that is what happened with my iMac >>> when the internal drive died. >>> · If the problem was just with either the HD or a corrupt system >>> installation on it, as a test you should still be able to run the MBP from >>> an external HD – I continued to use my iMac from an external FW drive, >>> containing a previous clone of my system, for around 2 years before I >>> finally got round to repairing the iMac with a SSD and new HD. >>> · As Ronni says, you could try and run Apple Hardware Test (AHT) – >>> although the MBP will at least need a working screen. >>> · I suppose it is possible that the MBP has a dead screen – >>> although it would be a bit of a coincidence if you were having these other >>> problems and then the screen died when you tried to address them – unlikely >>> but coincidences DO happen. – If you have an external screen and the >>> appropriate lead/adaptor you might be able to narrow the problem down to a >>> failed screen (very long shot). >>> · I suppose the residual cruft from the SMC fan controller might >>> give some problems – however that would all reside on the HD so with the HD >>> removed I would have thought the MBP should behave as normal if there are >>> no hardware problems (well normal for a computer with no HD as discussed >>> above). >>> · After removing the HD, did you try booting from the install disk >>> that came with the MBP – if there are no hardware problems I think that you >>> should be able to install a bare OSX even on an external usb stick of >>> sufficient size – if you can confirm the actual MBP hardware (less HD) is >>> OK then it is worth persevering to upgrade. >>> >>> As I say, just some thoughts which might help you narrow down the actual >>> problem or problems. >>> >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> >>> Neil >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Neil R. Houghton >>> Albany, Western Australia >>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Peter >>> Crisp <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: WAMUG <[email protected]> >>> Date: Sunday, 20 May 2018 at 21:10 >>> To: WAMUG <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: GREAT GAME EAGLES! >>> >>> Hi Ronni, I removed the HDD from Tim’s MBP and using the SATA adapter >>> connected it to Joannes MBP. It opened fined, the folder structure as an >>> externally connected drive looked completely as expected. I did locate the >>> SMC app in the Downloads folder and was able to succesfully trash it. Upon >>> refitting to Tim’s MBP I get the same behaviour which makes me think the >>> problem is with the MBP chassis/hardware somewhere and not the HDD. I am >>> puzzled where to now. If I simply replace the HDD, with this information it >>> seems unlikely that that would actually fix the problem. >>> >>> Buying a replacement MBP and restoring from the backup would be plagued by >>> the SMC installation in the backup and there being no apparent way to get >>> his MBP to start up and be able to get into the OSX to disable the SMC fan >>> controller. Buying a replacement SSD for his MBP and copying over also >>> would not seem to be a solution given the fact it looks fine when connected >>> as an external disc. >>> >>> Is there some other sort of way I could assess the HDD to confirm it’s >>> status or even the MBP hardware as well? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> On 20 May 2018, at 7:17 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> HI ROnni, thanks for that, but the problem i have is that Tim’s MBP is >>> completely unresponsive so I cannot even get into it to disable the SMC Fan >>> control he installed to then create a backup with that not in place. So I >>> am stuck with the backup I have. I really am unsire of the next step, I >>> will persevere with the current MBP now but I think I am wasting my time. >>> All that happens is the screen remains black and the fan starts up, nothing >>> to show. I think it is rooted. Maybe there is a command I can hold upon >>> hitting the start button but I try “Shift” and “Command R” and nothing >>> really results from it. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> On 20 May 2018, at 6:52 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Peter, >>> I would be careful about restoring from backup until you can completely >>> uninstall the smcFanControl then do a backup & restore from the new backup. >>> >>> Apple and we consultants don’t recommend users to control the fan speed by >>> any 3rd party utility, it’s better to let your Mac set the fan speed as it >>> wants. smcFanControl is not a necessary app for your Mac. >>> It installs many files throughout the system which need to be deleted as >>> well as the app! >>> If you think you just drag smcFanControl to the trash & think removal is >>> complete, then you’re wrong. That won’t remove the supportive files, cache >>> files & other associated items it created during the setup and daily usage. >>> To thoroughly ‘Delete smcFanControl, it is necessary to delete the >>> remaining components scattered around the system. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ronni >>> >>> Sent from Ronni's iPhone 7 Plus >>> >>> On 20 May 2018, at 5:56 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi ROnni, yes I have just got back from Gin Gin I had to collect one son >>> from Coolup as well so lots of driving today from Mandurah. >>> >>> I am getting you WAMUG mails from WAMUG and I also do see them at the link >>> you sent too. Not sure what’s going on your end but it all looks ok from >>> the ‘outside’. >>> >>> I’ve just got back home now so James is rerunning the second half for me >>> but I was listening on the radio and I heard Darling was having a cracker. >>> >>> I am looking further into Tims MBP tponoight too, I am not hopeful. I think >>> I will be buying another SSD to replace and then restore from backup. But >>> fingers crossed. He needs it for school so I gotta do it quickly. I think >>> tonight it wont be sorted. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> On 20 May 2018, at 5:50 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> That was a great game to watch the Eagles are flying high! >>> Darling was absolutely brilliant... I thought his kicking leg would fall >>> off in the final quarter! >>> The whole team played together, very slick and accurate passing either by >>> hand or foot. >>> A very good result and well deserved. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ronni >>> P.S I don’t know what has happened to WAMUG mailing list as I’m not >>> receiving any messages... even my replies to you regarding ‘MacBook failing >>> or not?. >>> The archives show my messages, so you can check there at this link >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> >>> >>> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - Guidelines - >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - Guidelines - >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> Regards, Stephen Chape
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