Hi Adam,

Sorry I was a bit slow replying to this.

I got a Seagate 2-bay business storage NAS - no selection analysis on my part - 
I was just walking through Officeworks and they had one on clearance and I just 
thought I'd give it a go.

It's a while since I set it all up - I don't remember any problems but I do 
remember that I read all the manuals and watched a few support videos before I 
started - to get a good overview of available options.

This page is the official support page for my unit:
https://www.seagate.com/au/en/support/external-hard-drives/network-storage/business-storage-2-bay-nas/

and it has a few videos showing you how to setup various things.

This page specifically covers TM backups:
https://www.seagate.com/au/en/support/kb/business-storage-nas-how-to-back-up-with-time-machine-backup-005280en/


and a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoHr3tAVC4A


HTH


Cheers


Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Adam 
Lippiatt <[email protected]>
Reply-To: WAMUG <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, 09 October 2020 at 15:33
To: WAMUG <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: TC Backups to a full disc drive

    Thank you Neil. Are you able to say what NAS you have and, apart from RAID 
choice, whether it was easy to set up on the Mac?
    
    Thanks 
    
    Adam
    
    > On 9 Oct 2020, at 2:15 pm, Neil Houghton <[email protected]> wrote:
    > 
    > Hi Adam, Hi Peter.
    > 
    > Some experiences:
    > 
    > On my main computer I use directly connected disks for TM backups and 
Superduper clones - USB & FW respectively but since almost all my important 
stuff is also in the cloud, on either Dropbox or OneDrive, I have TM set to 
manual and just connect the drives when I need to do a backup - my thinking 
being to avoid a power surge/lightning strike taking  out both the computer AND 
connected backups!
    > 
    > However, I do use a NAS for TM backups of a second computer and a laptop. 
At the moment these do not get a lot of use and, again, I do the YM backups 
manually - but the TM network backup all seems to work OK.
    > 
    > From memory, the trickiest bit was me deciding how to setup the NAS - to 
RAID or not to RAID, setting up user permissions so different users had their 
own space on the NAS, setting up a media server (as yet unused!) and then 
setting up another space for the TM backups. However, I am known to complicate 
things and I did want the NAS to fulfil several purposes!
    > 
    > I would imagine that if you just wanted to use the NAS for TM purposes, 
and used a simple RAID setup, you could have a good TM solution with protection 
against a single HD failure in the NAS - still doesn't help if lightning takes 
out the whole box!
    > 
    > Just my musings - HTH
    > 
    > 
    > Cheers
    > 
    > 
    > Neil
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Adam 
Lippiatt <[email protected]>
    > Reply-To: WAMUG <[email protected]>
    > Date: Friday, 09 October 2020 at 13:01
    > To: WAMUG <[email protected]>
    > Subject: Re: TC Backups to a full disc drive
    > 
    >    Hi Peter
    > 
    >    Presently I run two drives connected to my iMac (one by Thunderbolt, 
one by USB) one backing up a time machine backup and one using Carbon Copy 
Cloner software to make another backup.  I swap out one of the drives from time 
to time and keep that drive at a separate location. 
    > 
    >    I have only had one hard drive fail and that was the “fusion” drive in 
this iMac. It was very very handy to have a backup to hand when the iMacs drive 
was replaced. 
    > 
    >    However, I would like to go wireless for backup,  my only attempt 
being just to add a usb connected drive to a Time Capsule (for a second backup 
to the Time Capsule itself), but I found it to be too slow. 
    > 
    >    One idea for a monthly meeting topic I would be interested in, is a 
home network guru providing a guide to running wireless backups to  multiple 
backup drives and whether that requires / is better with a NAS (which I don’t 
really understand) or via hard drives connected to a wireless router with a 
fast USB connection. 
    > 
    >    Adam
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >> On 9 Oct 2020, at 12:26 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> 
wrote:
    >> 
    >> Hi Adam, thanks for that. What do you do instead for your backups?
    >> 
    >> Pete.
    >> 
    >>>> On 9 Oct 2020, at 12:07 pm, Adam Lippiatt <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> 
    >>> Hi Peter
    >>> 
    >>> That is good news. 
    >>> 
    >>> On a side note I gave up using hard drives connected via usb to the TC 
because they were very slow to transfer data. I read somewhere that this is 
because the USB port on the TC is slow speed. 
    >>> 
    >>> Adam
    >>> 
    >>>>> On 9 Oct 2020, at 12:02 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> 
wrote:
    >>>> 
    >>>> I just thought I would add my recent awareness of this. In the 10 
years + of using the Apple Time Capsule (with 3 USB hub connected external 
drives) I hadn’t yet reached the point where any of the Macbook backups had 
reached a full state on their respective drives. My own MBP back up drive on 
the TC (a 2TB HDD) reached this state during this week and I waited anxiously 
for it to either have a hissy fit or proceed as anticipated and free up space 
by deleting oldest backup content. 
    >>>> 
    >>>> I am pleased to say the latter resulted - with a message popup which 
said it will delete oldest content to make way for new backup content.
    >>>> 
    >>>> Regards
    >>>> 
    >>>> Pete.
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