but how long did it take, and how many developers to get it working fine in all browsers.
Paul On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Lisa Crispin <lisa.cris...@gmail.com> wrote: > Our app works fine, maybe because it's so old school, who knows! ;-> > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Paul Rogers <paul.rog...@shaw.ca> wrote: >> >> im guessing many developers would hope for: >> 1 set of html pages, works on mac or linux firefox and windows IE >> >> ;-) >> >> Its really hard to do cross browser web apps well, and there are >> usually many more developers than testers, so dont be too disappointed >> you havent got cross browser/platform test software just yet. >> >> Paul >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Lisa Crispin <lisa.cris...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > My hope was: 1 set of scripts, different runtime parameters, works on >> > mac or >> > linux firefox and windows IE. >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rog...@shaw.ca> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I think applescript will do it on macs, but its another variable into >> >> the regression mix. >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Bret Pettichord <b...@pettichord.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Maybe someone else knows how to handle this on Macs. Like I've said >> >> > before, i've never needed to work with these dialogs before for any >> >> > of >> >> > my clients, so i've never taken much time to research the >> >> > possibilities. >> >> > >> >> > Bret >> >> > >> >> > Lisa Crispin wrote: >> >> >> Thanks, Bret. I was hoping to make it work with Firefox on the mac, >> >> >> actually. But it sounds like that's a non starter. >> >> >> >> >> >> I will pursue these issues more with my team! >> >> >> thanks >> >> >> Lisa >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Bret Pettichord >> >> >> <b...@pettichord.com >> >> >> <mailto:b...@pettichord.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lisa, >> >> >> >> >> >> The problem with your code is that it is specific to both >> >> >> Windows >> >> >> and >> >> >> IE. Making it work with Firefox on Windows is a medium sized >> >> >> problem, >> >> >> but it still wouldn't help your developers with their macs. Off >> >> >> hand, I >> >> >> wouldn't know how to start on getting this work on other >> >> >> platforms. >> >> >> >> >> >> And yes, these kinds of dialogs are somewhat weird. Few apps use >> >> >> them >> >> >> today, they are considered poor design. Nowadays developers get >> >> >> the same >> >> >> effect using "lighboxes" which end up being modal according the >> >> >> strict >> >> >> definition of "modal", but the look better. And they are fairly >> >> >> easy to >> >> >> handle with Watir on both IE and Firefox (on Windows and Macs). >> >> >> >> >> >> Bret >> >> >> >> >> >> Lisa Crispin wrote: >> >> >> > To clarify - our Watir scripts handle our modal dialogs in IE >> >> >> just >> >> >> > fine. For example: >> >> >> > def click_modal_button(ie, type='OK', sleep_time=6, >> >> >> timeout=20) >> >> >> > hwnd = ie.enabled_popup(sleep_time) >> >> >> > if (hwnd) >> >> >> > w = WinClicker.new >> >> >> > w.clickWindowsButton_hwnd( hwnd, "#{type}") >> >> >> > w=nil >> >> >> > end >> >> >> > end >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I'm looking for affirmation that we will never be able to get >> >> >> these >> >> >> > scripts to work with modal dialogs in Firefox unless the test >> >> >> > automation fairy turns me into some better kind of programmer >> >> >> and >> >> >> I >> >> >> > can add this functionality to Watir myself. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I'm puzzled though - are modal dialogs weird? Do most apps not >> >> >> use >> >> >> > them? What do you use instead? >> >> >> > thanks >> >> >> > Lisa >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Paul Rogers >> >> >> <paul.rog...@shaw.ca <mailto:paul.rog...@shaw.ca> >> >> >> > <mailto:paul.rog...@shaw.ca <mailto:paul.rog...@shaw.ca>>> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ok, modal dialogs are a different beast entirely. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I dont have a need for dialog support right now, and am >> >> >> working on >> >> >> > drag and drop support in watir. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If you are only require ing this on windows, you might >> >> >> want >> >> >> to look >> >> >> > into autoit - if you want cros platform, no idea. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Paul >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Lisa Crispin >> >> >> > <lisa.cris...@gmail.com <mailto:lisa.cris...@gmail.com> >> >> >> <mailto:lisa.cris...@gmail.com <mailto:lisa.cris...@gmail.com>>> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > > I guess I mean regular js pop up boxes. A modal dialog >> >> >> window >> >> >> > that pops up >> >> >> > > and you have to click "ok" to keep going. They look the >> >> >> same in >> >> >> > firefox as >> >> >> > > in IE. >> >> >> > > Lisa >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Paul Rogers >> >> >> > <paul.rog...@shaw.ca <mailto:paul.rog...@shaw.ca> >> >> >> <mailto:paul.rog...@shaw.ca <mailto:paul.rog...@shaw.ca>>> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> what do you use in Firefox for the modaldialogs? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> or do you mean regular js pop up boxes? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Paul >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Lisa Crispin >> >> >> > <lisa.cris...@gmail.com <mailto:lisa.cris...@gmail.com> >> >> >> <mailto:lisa.cris...@gmail.com <mailto:lisa.cris...@gmail.com>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> > Hi, I hope this isn't too annoying of a question. I'm >> >> >> just >> >> >> > trying to >> >> >> > >> > decide >> >> >> > >> > our next steps wrt Watir and our test automation. I >> >> >> just >> >> >> > thought I'd >> >> >> > >> > double >> >> >> > >> > check on what I think I know already. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > I spent the last several weeks getting our Watir >> >> >> suites >> >> >> > working with v. >> >> >> > >> > 1.6.2 and Vista. I finally beat them into submission, >> >> >> and I'm >> >> >> > exhausted. >> >> >> > >> > (This is not a reflection on Watir, but probably on >> >> >> the >> >> >> > design of our >> >> >> > >> > scripts, and definitely on my lack of expertise). >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > My ultimate goal was to get these scripts working >> >> >> with >> >> >> > Firefox also, and >> >> >> > >> > I >> >> >> > >> > had some hope when I first read about 1.6.2 that this >> >> >> would >> >> >> > be possible. >> >> >> > >> > However, I recall that Bret replied to one of my >> >> >> emails >> >> >> > relating to >> >> >> > >> > dealing >> >> >> > >> > with modal dialogs this way: >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > I'm saying that I do not have a plan on how to >> >> >> support >> >> >> modal >> >> >> > dialog >> >> >> > >> > testing that will work with both IE and Firefox, and >> >> >> as >> >> >> far >> >> >> > as I know, >> >> >> > >> > no one else is working on this. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > I'm wondering if this means we should abandon all >> >> >> hope >> >> >> of >> >> >> > ever being >> >> >> > >> > able to >> >> >> > >> > run our scripts against Firefox (which would make >> >> >> them >> >> >> a lot >> >> >> > easier to >> >> >> > >> > integrate with our build process, as well as easier >> >> >> for >> >> >> the >> >> >> > developers >> >> >> > >> > who >> >> >> > >> > all use Macs to run them to help with their own >> >> >> testing)? >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > The developers could run the scripts on their >> >> >> Parallels >> >> >> or >> >> >> > VMWare, but >> >> >> > >> > the >> >> >> > >> > scripts run very slowly there for some reason. Should >> >> >> we >> >> >> be >> >> >> > thinking >> >> >> > >> > about >> >> >> > >> > migrating to a different browser driver if we want to >> >> >> have >> >> >> > scripts that >> >> >> > >> > everyone can use to help with testing? We have good >> >> >> tools for our >> >> >> > >> > automated >> >> >> > >> > regression tests, and I guess we could adapt those >> >> >> tests >> >> >> to >> >> >> > do the same >> >> >> > >> > purpose of Watir, it just happened that it was the >> >> >> Watir >> >> >> > scripts that >> >> >> > >> > got >> >> >> > >> > all the good flexibility that make them handy for >> >> >> setting up test >> >> >> > >> > scenarios. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > Do other people have automated scripts to help with >> >> >> > exploratory testing >> >> >> > >> > and >> >> >> > >> > manual testing, and if so, what tools do you use for >> >> >> that? Or >> >> >> > are other >> >> >> > >> > people just luckier and don't have modal dialogs to >> >> >> deal with? >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > Thanks, >> >> >> > >> > Lisa >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > -- >> >> >> > > Lisa Crispin >> >> >> > > Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A >> >> >> Practical >> >> >> Guide >> >> >> > for Testers >> >> >> > > and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009) >> >> >> > > http://lisacrispin.com >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Lisa Crispin >> >> >> > Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical >> >> >> Guide >> >> >> for >> >> >> > Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009) >> >> >> > http://lisacrispin.com >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Lisa Crispin >> >> >> Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for >> >> >> Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009) >> >> >> http://lisacrispin.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Lisa Crispin >> > Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for >> > Testers >> > and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009) >> > http://lisacrispin.com >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > -- > Lisa Crispin > Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers > and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009) > http://lisacrispin.com > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. 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