Thanks for that Bret, it makes it a lot clearer. Would I be correct to presume that given the current options you listed below, which have us remaining at OpenQA, that there is no longer a concern that they will go 'all things Selenium' on us and we'll be forced to suddenly move on short notice?
On Jun 8, 11:47 am, Bret Pettichord <b...@pettichord.com> wrote: > Let me chime in by trying to restate the problem and why this idea got > started in the first place. > > 1. The current home page for Watir (at wtr.rubyforge.com) is hard for > the community to update. It is a webgen-based website, stored with the > Watir code base. Any one with commit rights to Watir can modify these > pages. They also need admin rights to our Rubyforge.org account to post > updates. To date, only Charley and I have updated this website. Before > we moved it to webgen (when it was only one or two pages), Paul Rogers > and Jonathan Kohl also update these pages. > > 2. People find it confusing that there is no single place where all the > Watir information can be found. This makes them wonder about the > community and worry that maybe they are missing something important. At > the same time, I do believe that all the Watir websites are indexed from > wtr.rubyforge.org. > > 3. Paul owns watir.com. It currently redirects to wtr.rubyforge.org, but > could be pointed elsewhere. We also have the ability to redirect > wtr.rubyforge.org to another site. > > 4. It was unclear whether it made sense to keep Watir at openqa, as it > was moving to a selenium focus. For a couple of weeks indeed, openqa was > renamed seleniumhq. > > With this background we made the following plan: > > A. We would migrate the confluence and jira from openqa to our own server. > B. We would make the home page of the watir project be in confluence, > based on a design by Alister (that used a newer version of confluence). > > Charley ran into snags with A, and now we are looking into other > alternatives. Some of the alternatives, frankly, seem to be coming from > left field, so I am wondering whether there are additional concerns that > people have, or whether they are simply confused as to what our goals are. > > When we started this discussion, the Watir source code was stored in SVN > at openqa. Since then we've moved it to Github. Some people seem to be > acting on the idea that our goal is to keep everything together, and > thus we'd move the wiki and bug tracker to Github as well. I don't think > that it is practical to migrate from confluence to the wiki on Github. > Github's wiki is not that great, and we would have to lose a lot of > information, data, formating, understandability if we did this. I have > heard good things about Github's bug tracker, but am still unsure > whether it would be worth the trouble to migrate all the data. We > currently have an enormous investment in Jira: history, reports, etc. > > One nice thing about Jira/Confluence right now is that people can use a > single sign on for both. This is a feature provided by openqa, that > would take some work to replicate. > > The biggest problem, in my mind, with Jira right now is simply that not > enough attention is being given to reviewing the bug reports that are > made with it. But this is probably an issue for a separate thread. Let > me just say this: If someone were to propose that we move to a different > bug tracker because it would make it easier for them to review and > respond to bug reports, then I would be all ears. > > So it seems to me that we are now down to two options. Both of these > keep confluence and Jira at OpenQA. > > 1. Replace wtr.rubyforge.org with a wordpress instance. > 2. Move the homepage to confluence, perhaps getting Patrick to upgrade > the software. > > To my mind, #2 has a few more advantages. Mainly it simplifies things by > having one less site for users to find/understand and one less system > for us to maintain. But frankly I'd be happy with either as an > improvement over what we have right now. (#1 would be easier for more > people to support and has nifty plugins.) I'm happy to defer to Alister > on this point, following the implementer's rule: whoever implements it > makes the rules. > > Bret > > > > > > Charley Baker wrote: > > Alister's design on the wordpress instance looks good. I'd definitely > > pin him as the Watir community leader for watir.com <http://watir.com> > > going forward and definitely needs to work with Zeljko. They're > > fortunate enough to share similar time zones, and seem to be working > > well as a team. I tried getting jira and confluence up on a slice, it > > is working, but for my efforts, I didn't fare well, and got 'is that > > all you've done'. It's not easy and we're secure for the meantime with > > the openqa instances. We do have open source licensing if it comes to > > that, but given the difficulties on running our own instance, it makes > > sense to me to put that off for another time. > > > There are still some details to work out, but this looks like a viable > > plan - wordpress on the front end with JIRA still hosted on openqa. > > Paul needs to be involved in pointing the watir.com <http://watir.com> > > dns name to it, but otherwise we should be good. > > > Bret needs to weigh in as well, and we should make sure we have all > > the bases covered. > > > Charley Baker > > blog:http://blog.charleybaker.org/ > > Lead Developer, Watir,http://wtr.rubyforge.org > > QA Architect, Gap Inc Direct > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Chuck van der Linden <sqa...@gmail.com > > <mailto:sqa...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > On Jun 5, 5:07 am, Željko Filipin <zeljko.fili...@wa-research.ch > > <mailto:zeljko.fili...@wa-research.ch>> > > wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Chuck van der Linden > > <sqa...@gmail.com <mailto:sqa...@gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > Has Google Code been considered? > > > > also Github? > > > > Both Google Code and Github have wiki and bug tracking. The > > problem with > > > changing software is that somebody would have to enter all data > > from old > > > software into new software. And there is a lot of data... > > > > Željko > > > Yeah Z, I realize that. it's just that expense also seemed a big > > factor, so if we can't find something that's free and lets us run the > > apps we want, then obviously we have to balance cost vs moving data. > > I was wondering about those two in the even that cost turned out to be > > the deciding factor. > > > I still find it ironic that given it's mission statement, "OpenQA" > > seems to want to move to focusing on a single solution.. > > > Given the seemingly ever closer connections between Watir, things like > > the WatirCraft Framework, and Cucumber, one does have to wonder if > > maybe Github might be the way to go, even if we do have to move > > data.. Bret sure seemed to have a lot of good things to say about > > it. 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