I seem to recall some back and forth on the wave protocol logo and the fed one 
logo (on this thread).  Just wasn't sure if we came to a conclusion on that.

~Michael

On Mar 30, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Lennard de Rijk wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 16:24, Michael MacFadden 
> <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not that I am against any of the suggestions mentioned, but have we contacted 
> google on the license on the existing logos yet?
> 
> 
> Which existing logos are you referring to?
> 
> Greetings,
> Lennard
>  
> ~Michael
> 
> On Mar 30, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Jérémy Naegel wrote:
> 
> > I like it too! Nice work Paul!
> >
> > I'm just concerned it might still be too close to the Google Wave logo...
> > I hope we'll have some Google-insider clarification on what we can / can't
> > use.
> >
> > Jeremy Naegel
> > wave-france.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > 2011/3/30 Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> It looks nice, I like it. I also like that it looks good on different
> >> backgrounds.
> >> Would you like to submit a patch? If you wish I can include the updated
> >> logo
> >> in my patch that updates the WIAB login page.
> >> Yuri
> >>
> >> 2011/3/30 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>> Ok here is a simplified and rationalised version of the existing logo.
> >>>
> >>> The main change is it is slightly less fussy. The is one vanishing point
> >>> and it
> >>> actually follows a sine function.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It should look good on different background colours such as grey.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com>
> >>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 20:52:53
> >>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo
> >>>
> >>> By the way, what about something hand-drawn ? Like: http://goo.gl/zNbeSor
> >>> http://goo.gl/PEOFp
> >>>
> >>> Jeremy Naegel
> >>> wave-france.blogspot.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2011/3/25 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com>
> >>>
> >>>> I actually started with the original logo as a guide. I give it another
> >>> go.
> >>>> The
> >>>> main thing to note is the odd perspective used (which stood out from
> >> the
> >>>> first
> >>>> google IO) and the psuedo sine wave especially in protocol one which is
> >>>> more
> >>>> like saw tooth with rounded corners.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The perspective sort works on the gwave/fedone log sort of works
> >> becuase
> >>> it
> >>>> looks like it is bent round and tapered in at least two directions
> >> (which
> >>>> sort
> >>>> of was inspiration). In the protocol doesn't really work as it is
> >>>> orthographic/flat yet it naively tries to follow the same perspective.
> >>> The
> >>>> middle section is a bit  picasso.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree simple is best I will come up with something similar to the
> >>> fedone
> >>>> logo
> >>>> with the same colors, just a rework of the form give it depth as you
> >> say.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com>
> >>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 18:47:49
> >>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree, the simplicity of a W-shaped harmonic signal is IMHO the best
> >>>> option to have an easily readable and understandable logo.
> >>>> If indeed a new logo is necessary, I'm convinced that their is
> >> unlimited
> >>>> possibilities of turning a sine function into a simple and nice looking
> >>>> logo
> >>>> that will evoke Wave's legacy.
> >>>>
> >>>> See for example how those companies have managed to make something both
> >>>> simple and original from a simple sine function shape :
> >>>> http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=97
> >>>> http://www.mark-making.com/case-studies/wave_2.php
> >>>>
> >>>> or what can be achieve by putting several sine function next to another
> >>> to
> >>>> add some depth :
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> http://www.myspace.com/sevencycletheory/photos/358740#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A358740%7D
> >>>> D
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *I wish I could have some skills to turn ideas into logos!*
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jeremy Naegel
> >>>> wave-france.blogspot.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2011/3/25 Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> This is an interesting design.  Not that I do not like your logo, but
> >> I
> >>>>> prefer the simplicity of the current logo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 14:12, Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Slight correction
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>> Sent: Thu, 24 March, 2011 18:07:05
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just some ideas for a logo (open it in inkscape becuase of the
> >>>>>> filter/effects
> >>>>>> it won't render correctly otherwise). Tried to incorporate the
> >>> feather
> >>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>> really work, however most Apache projects have unique logos anyway.
> >>>>>> Probably
> >>>>>> simple is best.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 15:24:28
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The protocol logo is different from google wave logo even in the
> >>>>>> perspective/form of the wave.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The protocol logo is safe, however that is for the protocol not
> >>> apache
> >>>>> wave
> >>>>>> (there is a difference despite them being lumped together atm).
> >> Hence
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> dimension like lines implying it is a standard rather than a
> >>>>>> implementation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The old fed on logo is basically a monochrome of gwave. it is not
> >>> safe
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> also
> >>>>>> unoriginal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would say take the protocol logo lines and make something from
> >>> that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 10:30:03
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yuri, I truly hope you're right!
> >>>>>> If that's the case I too think the Protocol logo should be kept for
> >>>>> Apache
> >>>>>> Wave.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Soren, as you are a Googler, can you clarify this point?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We all understand Google's copyright on the Google Wave's logo :
> >>>>>> http://code.google.com/apis/wave/images/wavelogo.png
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But what about the blue protocol logo (the one with arrow and
> >>> circles)
> >>>>>> featured here :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/11/adding-robots-to-wave-in-box.html
> >>>>>> And what about the "shades of blue" simpler one displayed here :
> >>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could this last one be covered by the Apache License 2.0 stated in
> >>> the
> >>>>>> Project informations?
> >>>>>> Note that this logo is already in use on WiaB demo servers (
> >>>>>> http://demo.wave-in-a-box.org/static/logo.png and
> >>>>>> http://waveinabox.net:9898/static/logo.png )
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks in advance.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jeremy Naegel
> >>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> PS: it may be irrelevant now but here are the two examples (looking
> >>> as
> >>>>>> close
> >>>>>> as possible to the Wave federation logo but based on a pure
> >> harmonic
> >>>> wave
> >>>>>> signal) I talked about earlier :
> >>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/KXVKa.png and http://i.imgur.com/mLnaN.png
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2011/3/21 Michael MacFadden <michael.macfad...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yuri,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I agree that the current logo's if they are opens source, should
> >> at
> >>>>> least
> >>>>>>> be in the running.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ~Michael
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Yuri Z wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Wave Protocol group and Fed One were open source form the
> >>>>>> beginning,
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> I personally think so is the Wave Protocol logo. Google Wave
> >> uses
> >>>>>>> different
> >>>>>>>> logo and it seems to me it is logical to assume that this is
> >> the
> >>>> logo
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> Google retains the copyright on not the blue W logo that is
> >> used
> >>> by
> >>>>>> Wave
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> a Box.
> >>>>>>>> I think we should try and clear this issue with Google instead
> >> of
> >>>>> going
> >>>>>>>> ahead and changing it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2011/3/21 Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Since the Wave Federation Protocol is open-source from the
> >>>>> beginning,
> >>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>> amazed that the Wave Protocol logo doesn't have an open-source
> >>>>>> friendly
> >>>>>>>>> licence!
> >>>>>>>>> How did Google expected the Federated servers to promote their
> >>>>>>>>> technological affiliation without the ability to add a
> >> "powered
> >>>> by"
> >>>>>> Wave
> >>>>>>>>> Protocol logo?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, if a new Apache Wave logo has to be built from
> >> scratch,
> >>>> I'll
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>> doing my part by passing the word to some friends gifted with
> >>>> design
> >>>>>>>>> talents...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about this new logo for a few days and I
> >>> think
> >>>>>> that,
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> the same reasons that the "Wave" name was kept when moving to
> >>>> Apache
> >>>>>>>>> (probably to keep alive the renown of the "Wave" brand and to
> >>>> avoid
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>> project to slip in limbo), it would be probably best to have a
> >>> new
> >>>>>> logo
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> reminds the Wave legacy and the Wave original logo.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm not very skilled with Photoshop but I've done two simple
> >>>>> examples
> >>>>>>>>> attached here.  Even if on first look it may look quite
> >> similar
> >>> to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> Wave
> >>>>>>>>> protocol logo, there's nothing left of it except the color.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think it's important to identify the specificities of the
> >> Wave
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> Wave
> >>>>>>>>> Protocol logos that can be covered by its copyright :
> >>>>>>>>> Of course there is the "3D depth" of it. Their is also the
> >> wave
> >>>>> signal
> >>>>>>>>> shape : it has a smaller height in the middle and the left
> >> first
> >>>>> part
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> shape has been put closer to the rest of the W letter.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Using a standard harmonic signal shape, without any of the
> >>>>>> specificities
> >>>>>>>>> listed above, shouldn't infringe the existing copyright.
> >>>>>>>>> From what I've tested, a close signal is drawn with the
> >>>>>>> *y=4sin(x)*function.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So, what do you think of having an Apache Wave Logo recalling
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> original
> >>>>>>>>> W logo?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jeremy Naegel
> >>>>>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2011/3/18 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yeh I was going to say that. However you can't trademark a
> >> wave
> >>>>>> shape.
> >>>>>>> So
> >>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>> is nothing stopping using a wave in thier design so long as
> >> the
> >>>>>> direct
> >>>>>>>>>> association is not there.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'd be up for a logo design comp. I could do it in inkscape
> >> as
> >>> a
> >>>>>> plain
> >>>>>>>>>> svg.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: Soren Lassen <so...@google.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Nathanael Abbotts <nat.abbo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 18 March, 2011 6:38:00
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The Apache Wave proposal
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> states that:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Google retains all rights to the trademarks "GOOGLE WAVE"
> >> and
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> wave design logo, neither of which will be used in the Apache
> >>>> Wave
> >>>>>>>>>> project."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We should design a new one, if we want a logo for Apache
> >> Wave.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Soren
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Nathanael Abbotts
> >>>>>>>>>> <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what licence has been applied to the wave
> >>>>>> protocol
> >>>>>>>>>> logo?
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Nathanael Abbotts
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Email: nat.abbo...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> Wave: nat.abbo...@wavewatchers.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @natabbotts (http://twitter.com/natabbotts)
> >>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://natabbotts.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> 
> 

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