Not that I am against any of the suggestions mentioned, but have we contacted google on the license on the existing logos yet?
~Michael On Mar 30, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Jérémy Naegel wrote: > I like it too! Nice work Paul! > > I'm just concerned it might still be too close to the Google Wave logo... > I hope we'll have some Google-insider clarification on what we can / can't > use. > > Jeremy Naegel > wave-france.blogspot.com > > > 2011/3/30 Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> > >> It looks nice, I like it. I also like that it looks good on different >> backgrounds. >> Would you like to submit a patch? If you wish I can include the updated >> logo >> in my patch that updates the WIAB login page. >> Yuri >> >> 2011/3/30 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >> >>> Ok here is a simplified and rationalised version of the existing logo. >>> >>> The main change is it is slightly less fussy. The is one vanishing point >>> and it >>> actually follows a sine function. >>> >>> >>> >>> It should look good on different background colours such as grey. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 20:52:53 >>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>> >>> By the way, what about something hand-drawn ? Like: http://goo.gl/zNbeSor >>> http://goo.gl/PEOFp >>> >>> Jeremy Naegel >>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> >>> 2011/3/25 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>> >>>> I actually started with the original logo as a guide. I give it another >>> go. >>>> The >>>> main thing to note is the odd perspective used (which stood out from >> the >>>> first >>>> google IO) and the psuedo sine wave especially in protocol one which is >>>> more >>>> like saw tooth with rounded corners. >>>> >>>> >>>> The perspective sort works on the gwave/fedone log sort of works >> becuase >>> it >>>> looks like it is bent round and tapered in at least two directions >> (which >>>> sort >>>> of was inspiration). In the protocol doesn't really work as it is >>>> orthographic/flat yet it naively tries to follow the same perspective. >>> The >>>> middle section is a bit picasso. >>>> >>>> I agree simple is best I will come up with something similar to the >>> fedone >>>> logo >>>> with the same colors, just a rework of the form give it depth as you >> say. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>> Sent: Fri, 25 March, 2011 18:47:49 >>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>> >>>> I agree, the simplicity of a W-shaped harmonic signal is IMHO the best >>>> option to have an easily readable and understandable logo. >>>> If indeed a new logo is necessary, I'm convinced that their is >> unlimited >>>> possibilities of turning a sine function into a simple and nice looking >>>> logo >>>> that will evoke Wave's legacy. >>>> >>>> See for example how those companies have managed to make something both >>>> simple and original from a simple sine function shape : >>>> http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=97 >>>> http://www.mark-making.com/case-studies/wave_2.php >>>> >>>> or what can be achieve by putting several sine function next to another >>> to >>>> add some depth : >>>> >>>> >>> >> http://www.myspace.com/sevencycletheory/photos/358740#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A358740%7D >>>> D >>>> >>>> >>>> *I wish I could have some skills to turn ideas into logos!* >>>> >>>> >>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011/3/25 Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> This is an interesting design. Not that I do not like your logo, but >> I >>>>> prefer the simplicity of the current logo. >>>>> >>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 14:12, Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Slight correction >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> Sent: Thu, 24 March, 2011 18:07:05 >>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>> >>>>>> Just some ideas for a logo (open it in inkscape becuase of the >>>>>> filter/effects >>>>>> it won't render correctly otherwise). Tried to incorporate the >>> feather >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> really work, however most Apache projects have unique logos anyway. >>>>>> Probably >>>>>> simple is best. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>> From: Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 15:24:28 >>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>> >>>>>> The protocol logo is different from google wave logo even in the >>>>>> perspective/form of the wave. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The protocol logo is safe, however that is for the protocol not >>> apache >>>>> wave >>>>>> (there is a difference despite them being lumped together atm). >> Hence >>>> the >>>>>> dimension like lines implying it is a standard rather than a >>>>>> implementation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The old fed on logo is basically a monochrome of gwave. it is not >>> safe >>>>> and >>>>>> also >>>>>> unoriginal. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would say take the protocol logo lines and make something from >>> that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>> From: Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 March, 2011 10:30:03 >>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>> >>>>>> Yuri, I truly hope you're right! >>>>>> If that's the case I too think the Protocol logo should be kept for >>>>> Apache >>>>>> Wave. >>>>>> >>>>>> Soren, as you are a Googler, can you clarify this point? >>>>>> >>>>>> We all understand Google's copyright on the Google Wave's logo : >>>>>> http://code.google.com/apis/wave/images/wavelogo.png >>>>>> >>>>>> But what about the blue protocol logo (the one with arrow and >>> circles) >>>>>> featured here : >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/11/adding-robots-to-wave-in-box.html >>>>>> And what about the "shades of blue" simpler one displayed here : >>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Could this last one be covered by the Apache License 2.0 stated in >>> the >>>>>> Project informations? >>>>>> Note that this logo is already in use on WiaB demo servers ( >>>>>> http://demo.wave-in-a-box.org/static/logo.png and >>>>>> http://waveinabox.net:9898/static/logo.png ) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>>> PS: it may be irrelevant now but here are the two examples (looking >>> as >>>>>> close >>>>>> as possible to the Wave federation logo but based on a pure >> harmonic >>>> wave >>>>>> signal) I talked about earlier : >>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/KXVKa.png and http://i.imgur.com/mLnaN.png >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/3/21 Michael MacFadden <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yuri, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree that the current logo's if they are opens source, should >> at >>>>> least >>>>>>> be in the running. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~Michael >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Yuri Z wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Wave Protocol group and Fed One were open source form the >>>>>> beginning, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I personally think so is the Wave Protocol logo. Google Wave >> uses >>>>>>> different >>>>>>>> logo and it seems to me it is logical to assume that this is >> the >>>> logo >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> Google retains the copyright on not the blue W logo that is >> used >>> by >>>>>> Wave >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> a Box. >>>>>>>> I think we should try and clear this issue with Google instead >> of >>>>> going >>>>>>>> ahead and changing it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/3/21 Jérémy Naegel <jeremy....@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since the Wave Federation Protocol is open-source from the >>>>> beginning, >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>> amazed that the Wave Protocol logo doesn't have an open-source >>>>>> friendly >>>>>>>>> licence! >>>>>>>>> How did Google expected the Federated servers to promote their >>>>>>>>> technological affiliation without the ability to add a >> "powered >>>> by" >>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>> Protocol logo? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, if a new Apache Wave logo has to be built from >> scratch, >>>> I'll >>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> doing my part by passing the word to some friends gifted with >>>> design >>>>>>>>> talents... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about this new logo for a few days and I >>> think >>>>>> that, >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the same reasons that the "Wave" name was kept when moving to >>>> Apache >>>>>>>>> (probably to keep alive the renown of the "Wave" brand and to >>>> avoid >>>>>> the >>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> project to slip in limbo), it would be probably best to have a >>> new >>>>>> logo >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> reminds the Wave legacy and the Wave original logo. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not very skilled with Photoshop but I've done two simple >>>>> examples >>>>>>>>> attached here. Even if on first look it may look quite >> similar >>> to >>>>> the >>>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>> protocol logo, there's nothing left of it except the color. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think it's important to identify the specificities of the >> Wave >>>> and >>>>>>> Wave >>>>>>>>> Protocol logos that can be covered by its copyright : >>>>>>>>> Of course there is the "3D depth" of it. Their is also the >> wave >>>>> signal >>>>>>>>> shape : it has a smaller height in the middle and the left >> first >>>>> part >>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> shape has been put closer to the rest of the W letter. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Using a standard harmonic signal shape, without any of the >>>>>> specificities >>>>>>>>> listed above, shouldn't infringe the existing copyright. >>>>>>>>> From what I've tested, a close signal is drawn with the >>>>>>> *y=4sin(x)*function. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, what do you think of having an Apache Wave Logo recalling >>> the >>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>> W logo? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jeremy Naegel >>>>>>>>> wave-france.blogspot.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/3/18 Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeh I was going to say that. However you can't trademark a >> wave >>>>>> shape. >>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> is nothing stopping using a wave in thier design so long as >> the >>>>>> direct >>>>>>>>>> association is not there. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd be up for a logo design comp. I could do it in inkscape >> as >>> a >>>>>> plain >>>>>>>>>> svg. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>>>> From: Soren Lassen <so...@google.com> >>>>>>>>>> To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Nathanael Abbotts <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 18 March, 2011 6:38:00 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Apache Wave proposal >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> states that: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Google retains all rights to the trademarks "GOOGLE WAVE" >> and >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> wave design logo, neither of which will be used in the Apache >>>> Wave >>>>>>>>>> project." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We should design a new one, if we want a logo for Apache >> Wave. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Soren >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Nathanael Abbotts >>>>>>>>>> <nat.abbo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what licence has been applied to the wave >>>>>> protocol >>>>>>>>>> logo? >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Nathanael Abbotts >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Email: nat.abbo...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> Wave: nat.abbo...@wavewatchers.org >>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @natabbotts (http://twitter.com/natabbotts) >>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://natabbotts.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>
