Fleeky, Plonk On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> wrote: > ok , what i would like to know. > > who among you on this mailing list is actually using wave in some capacity > ? and for what ? do you run your own wave server ? if not why ? > > personally i run my own wave server, and use it mainly as a google doc > replacement. > > robert, first off which people are you talking about ? people on this list > ? or the general populace? if people on this list are too scared to dip > there toes into something that may have a few bugs then we are certainly > doomed. > > robert, you are right but you are also wrong, your right in that the way > your talking about is nice and orderly and logical. the problem is , > expecting all of that will never happen unless you personally do so. what i > am proposing is for people to get there hands dirty in any way possible. > can you code? great wave needs coders more then anything. but if you cant > code, you can atleast use wave and get an idea for what works and what > doesnt, what the bugs are, wave needs people to use it just as much as it > needs people to make code for it at this point. > > get your hands dirty, thats all im asking > > also to answer your question : I DO draw in new users, maybe not at the > level or speed any of you deem worthy, but i use wave to share documents > with people. as i said i make a dummy account and then have my friends use > it to view a document id like them to look at. is it ideal? not at all, but > then again wave is not at a point in its software development for there to > be anything like an ideal. > > the point is to use , and to figure out how it can be usefull in its > current state, rather then bickering about what it needs to be everyone's > dream software. > > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Robert Brumbelow > <rkbrumbe...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Fleeky, >> >> "i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the usefullness of >> using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof >> amazing." [sic] >> >> Probably because you have flawed presuppositions. >> >> I assume people who have never seen Wave have never seen Wave, not >> that they know how to use it. When teaching someone to drive a car, I >> have them observe, read, study, and after they have done the >> prerequisites I would put them in a training car. >> >> People want to see what Wave can do before they jump in and use it >> frequently. >> >> I am glad you have done all these things on your own, but tell me how >> is having done them yourself drawing in new users and developers along >> with generating interest? It may be happening, I don't see it. >> >> I am not talking about dogfooding, I am talking about intro and basic >> training so people can get up to speed. >> >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > robert if using wave to learn wave is self defeating , i think wave the >> > purpose of wave has been lost. >> > >> > wave is a communications platform, if it cant communicate how to use >> itself >> > doesnt that seem a bit silly? >> > >> > an ideal situation would be publicly viewable waves that are potentially >> > read only , or parts are (wave could use permissions). >> > >> > but a more realistic way that i use on my own server is to have an >> > anonymous account. this way you tell people to login via that and they >> can >> > interact with the waves you have shared with that account. >> > >> > i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the usefullness of >> > using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof >> amazing. >> > >> > fleeky >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Robert Brumbelow <rkbrumbe...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> > >> >> Fleeky, those are fine for us, they will do little for outside >> >> exposure. I would suspect having to use wave in order to learn to use >> >> wave might be self defeating. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box >> >> > >> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home >> >> > >> >> > also there is #wiab on irc.freenode.net >> >> > >> >> > also Ali just a few emails up mentioned that you could start a >> discussion >> >> > on his wave server , why not try those things first? and if there is >> a >> >> > problem, go to Ali's wave server and simply start a problems wave add >> the >> >> > participant @domain to the wave and everyone inclduing Ali on that >> server >> >> > should be able to see your problem wave, and maybe attempt to answer >> your >> >> > problem. >> >> > >> >> > -fleeky >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Brumbelow < >> rkbrumbe...@gmail.com >> >> >wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Thomas, >> >> >> Hangouts on air are the recorded versions of Google Hangouts, >> >> >> they are streamed and recorded via Youtube. Screencasts, I thought, >> >> >> also defaulted to being recorded. >> >> >> >> >> >> I know during my years of teaching, video was often preferred by >> >> >> students simply because even in step by step instruction, aka hand >> >> >> holding, there would be something glossed over, ignored or assumed >> >> >> known by students or the teacher. Video shows every keystroke, >> command >> >> >> and mouse movement >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kelly Brumbelow >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kelly Brumbelow >>
-- Kelly Brumbelow
