By moving to github will the community there be able to communicate as easily as we do here. I have no experience working on any long term gothic projects but in asf we can easily arrange for hangout debates which would need to be recorded for public view. Tbh I agree with deadlines and emails like these need to be frequent for us to band together. So either way after the review submission date we should start another email for prep to move to github or we should discuss the New timeline of the project and what we need to build this into a stable community. On 30/11/2013 8:59 AM, "Fleeky Flanco" <fle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> very simple workaround, have everyone reply to everything in one blip, but > to append there name to things they say. this way you keep blip count low. > > the state of wave imo is that its a blank slate, you have to impose your > own organizational structure onto each wave, and how you do that dictates > how things work in that particular wave. that is the beauty and also the > problem of it. > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > thomas, > > > > i dont think there has even been enough testing of wave to prove this one > > way or the other but the main point is that if we are all using wave for > > something that matters, it will piss someone off enough to actually start > > to fix things. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel <darkfl...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> So are you confirming then that Wave as it stands can (stably) take very > >> long discussion threads with lots of comments? > >> > >> I wasn't even aware the storage format of the current Wave builds was > >> final. > >> Maybe more has progressed in the last year then I was aware of. > >> > >> > >> ~~~ > >> Thomas & Bertines online review show: > >> http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html > >> Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) > >> > >> > >> On 29 November 2013 23:44, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > christian, from my observations of the project i would have to answer > >> no, > >> > its not working out ? > >> > > >> > pardon my passion on this subject (@mailing list) but ive kept quiet > for > >> > too long. id rather get an argument started on this rather then let > wave > >> > die the slow death that it is currently facing. passion is what wave > >> needs > >> > right now, not patience. > >> > > >> > i dont think moving wave to github or getting everyone to actually use > >> wave > >> > will magically make everything better, but i think that is a step in > the > >> > right direction that Should have been taken a long time ago. > >> > > >> > theres no reason that moving discussion to a wave server reduces the > >> open > >> > nature of the discussion, as stated previously, its trivial to make an > >> > anonymous account to grant anyone access to this discussion if it was > >> on a > >> > wave server. also anyone can register on a wave server and participate > >> in > >> > the discussion if the wave has been setup properly, theres even a > patch > >> > somewhere for rendering wave files as html files which would make it > >> > searchable by google and everyone esle. federation should make > >> propogating > >> > this data to multiple servers possible, using wave as the main > >> discussion > >> > area maintains the openness , searchability, and also longevity of the > >> > discussion. > >> > > >> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier < > >> grobme...@gmail.com > >> > >wrote: > >> > > >> > > On 29 Nov 2013, at 16:40, Fleeky Flanco wrote: > >> > > > >> > > i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the > usefullness > >> of > >> > >> using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof > >> > >> amazing. > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > If you don't understand why we operate on a mailing list then you > >> > probably > >> > > have > >> > > not understood that the ASF tries to develop in an open way. All > >> > > discussions must held > >> > > public and must be archived for a long time. The only solution so > far > >> is > >> > > mailing lists. > >> > > Wave is simply not that far to provide that at the moment. > >> > > > >> > > Of course there is an opportunity to bring Wave to the ASF. But > there > >> are > >> > > a lot of requirements > >> > > to meet. If you want to develop here, you need to fulfill these > >> > > requirements. > >> > > > >> > > We have discussed that several times. Every of the committers > >> understood > >> > > these requirements > >> > > and were working against them. However Wave is not there yet. > >> > > > >> > > This doesn't answer the question which was initially asked: is the > ASF > >> > the > >> > > right place? > >> > > Or more precise: can we as a project ever succeed the incubator and > >> > become > >> > > an ASF project? > >> > > > >> > > This has nothing to do with the great technology behind Wave nor the > >> > > willingness of people. > >> > > It is: is there enough manpower to live the ASF way or not. > >> > > > >> > > Christian > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> fleeky > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Robert Brumbelow < > >> > rkbrumbe...@gmail.com > >> > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Fleeky, those are fine for us, they will do little for outside > >> > >>> exposure. I would suspect having to use wave in order to learn to > >> use > >> > >>> wave might be self defeating. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com > > > >> > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> also there is #wiab on irc.freenode.net > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> also Ali just a few emails up mentioned that you could start a > >> > >>>> discussion > >> > >>>> on his wave server , why not try those things first? and if > there > >> is > >> > a > >> > >>>> problem, go to Ali's wave server and simply start a problems wave > >> add > >> > >>>> the > >> > >>>> participant @domain to the wave and everyone inclduing Ali on > that > >> > >>>> server > >> > >>>> should be able to see your problem wave, and maybe attempt to > >> answer > >> > >>>> your > >> > >>>> problem. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> -fleeky > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Brumbelow < > >> > >>>> rkbrumbe...@gmail.com > >> > >>>> wrote: > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Thomas, > >> > >>>>> Hangouts on air are the recorded versions of Google Hangouts, > >> > >>>>> they are streamed and recorded via Youtube. Screencasts, I > >> thought, > >> > >>>>> also defaulted to being recorded. > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> I know during my years of teaching, video was often preferred by > >> > >>>>> students simply because even in step by step instruction, aka > hand > >> > >>>>> holding, there would be something glossed over, ignored or > assumed > >> > >>>>> known by students or the teacher. Video shows every keystroke, > >> > command > >> > >>>>> and mouse movement > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> -- > >> > >>> Kelly Brumbelow > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > > > >> > > --- > >> > > http://www.grobmeier.de > >> > > @grobmeier > >> > > GPG: 0xA5CC90DB > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >
