On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ok , what i would like to know. > > who among you on this mailing list is actually using wave in some capacity > ? and for what ? do you run your own wave server ? if not why ? > I have 30 waves on my own server. The others in my team have an average of 3. My company policy is against third party cloud applications. I want the features of google doc badly for book keeping and sharing contents among multiple operating systems. I'm using google doc so much that I become so lazy to press CTRL+S, and I hate to have a lot of versions of my documents that I need to compare and merge. > personally i run my own wave server, and use it mainly as a google doc > replacement. > Same here - a replacement of google doc, and evernote for someone else. > robert, first off which people are you talking about ? people on this list > ? or the general populace? if people on this list are too scared to dip > there toes into something that may have a few bugs then we are certainly > doomed. > > robert, you are right but you are also wrong, your right in that the way > your talking about is nice and orderly and logical. the problem is , > expecting all of that will never happen unless you personally do so. what i > am proposing is for people to get there hands dirty in any way possible. > can you code? great wave needs coders more then anything. but if you cant > code, you can atleast use wave and get an idea for what works and what > doesnt, what the bugs are, wave needs people to use it just as much as it > needs people to make code for it at this point. > > get your hands dirty, thats all im asking > > also to answer your question : I DO draw in new users, maybe not at the > level or speed any of you deem worthy, but i use wave to share documents > with people. as i said i make a dummy account and then have my friends use > it to view a document id like them to look at. is it ideal? not at all, but > then again wave is not at a point in its software development for there to > be anything like an ideal. > > the point is to use , and to figure out how it can be usefull in its > current state, rather then bickering about what it needs to be everyone's > dream software. > > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Robert Brumbelow <rkbrumbe...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Fleeky, > > > > "i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the usefullness of > > using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof > > amazing." [sic] > > > > Probably because you have flawed presuppositions. > > > > I assume people who have never seen Wave have never seen Wave, not > > that they know how to use it. When teaching someone to drive a car, I > > have them observe, read, study, and after they have done the > > prerequisites I would put them in a training car. > > > > People want to see what Wave can do before they jump in and use it > > frequently. > > > > I am glad you have done all these things on your own, but tell me how > > is having done them yourself drawing in new users and developers along > > with generating interest? It may be happening, I don't see it. > > > > I am not talking about dogfooding, I am talking about intro and basic > > training so people can get up to speed. > > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > robert if using wave to learn wave is self defeating , i think wave the > > > purpose of wave has been lost. > > > > > > wave is a communications platform, if it cant communicate how to use > > itself > > > doesnt that seem a bit silly? > > > > > > an ideal situation would be publicly viewable waves that are > potentially > > > read only , or parts are (wave could use permissions). > > > > > > but a more realistic way that i use on my own server is to have an > > > anonymous account. this way you tell people to login via that and they > > can > > > interact with the waves you have shared with that account. > > > > > > i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the usefullness of > > > using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof > > amazing. > > > > > > fleeky > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Robert Brumbelow < > rkbrumbe...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > >> Fleeky, those are fine for us, they will do little for outside > > >> exposure. I would suspect having to use wave in order to learn to use > > >> wave might be self defeating. > > >> > > >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box > > >> > > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home > > >> > > > >> > also there is #wiab on irc.freenode.net > > >> > > > >> > also Ali just a few emails up mentioned that you could start a > > discussion > > >> > on his wave server , why not try those things first? and if there > is > > a > > >> > problem, go to Ali's wave server and simply start a problems wave > add > > the > > >> > participant @domain to the wave and everyone inclduing Ali on that > > server > > >> > should be able to see your problem wave, and maybe attempt to answer > > your > > >> > problem. > > >> > > > >> > -fleeky > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Brumbelow < > > rkbrumbe...@gmail.com > > >> >wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> Thomas, > > >> >> Hangouts on air are the recorded versions of Google Hangouts, > > >> >> they are streamed and recorded via Youtube. Screencasts, I thought, > > >> >> also defaulted to being recorded. > > >> >> > > >> >> I know during my years of teaching, video was often preferred by > > >> >> students simply because even in step by step instruction, aka hand > > >> >> holding, there would be something glossed over, ignored or assumed > > >> >> known by students or the teacher. Video shows every keystroke, > > command > > >> >> and mouse movement > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Kelly Brumbelow > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Kelly Brumbelow > > >
