Eh?  Who?  Where?  So what exactly is the problem?  What do you need?

What browsers does this script work in? What browsers does it not work
in?  Why would a JavaScript pop up menu "pop up" without JS enabled? 
Button, button, who's got the button?

okay... you can deliver something to the browser that is usable
(nested, unordered lists), then augment it with JS wizardry afterward
(hide nested lists, displaying on mouseover of their containing list
item)...

If you're looking for a whiz-bang, do-something-cool-in-real-time
menu, you're going to have to do that on the client side (PHP, being
server scripting would be like using a lathe to make a neon sign) and
there's no better tool for that than JavaScript.  The important thing
to strive for is separation of behavior(the pop up) from structure,
that way non-js browsers get *something* and then good little JS
enabled browsers get the mondo spiffy version.

A friend and I have adapted the gazingus drop-down menu[1] script a
bit to support the normal hover and drop-down behavior rather than the
click, then drop-down way it was originally coded... it achieves what
I think you're getting at.  The nav links still show up in non-js
browsers and are purty in js browsers.  You can find it over at his
site in the development section [2].

hth,
Stephen

[1] http://gazingus.org/html/menuDropdown.html
[2] http://www.papercanopy.com/Development.asp

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:49:15 +0100, Joseph Harris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a cut and paste of a script seen working in IE.   It is happy as a
> sandboy in Opera.    It should show a pop-out menu on most of the main
> links.    It is CSS and javascript;   and is it only because I have
> javascript turned off that it won't work?    Which means it won't be much
> help...    ...then is there a good alternative without js?    Am I back to
> php sweating?
> 
> Here it is on line
> http://www.smilepoetryweekly.com/css_menu_popup_2.htm
> 
> many thanks for any comments.

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