On 9 Sep 98, at 8:01, Gill, Kathy wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out what you mean by "control over aspect" v
> "dynamic content." Frankly, I think a lot of "control over aspect" needs
> to be left in the hands of the end user -- what rez, color settings,
> font, font size, etc. that they prefer to match their personal needs.
Sorry. An ingenuous error I've used an italian word as if it was
english not aspect but apparence.
PostScript is a language that let you have control over apparence...
Does it sound more clear?
> > I see the "dinamic contents part" as just a means to transfer part of
> > the "input processing/interface" on the client side rather than on
> > the server side (eg: form validation, menues, lists etc...).
> ??? Are you saying that you'll serve up different pages (control aspect)
> based on input from the client?
Yes and no. Just a little bit more. I mean I'll help the user to insert
their data, or give them some tools to browse my contents as
menu etc... and of course to serve different pages (the attention is
not over aspect rather on contents/tools to browse, search etc...)
based on imput.
Suppose you need to collect some imput from the user.
Some answer will affect the questions you'll ask next.
If you do this completely on the server site you'll have to send
many pages to the client... maybe you can find a better way using
client side scripts.
OK?
> > There is a lot of material out there on the internet, people who want
> > to show their cat (I'm one of those),
> or motorcycle <g>....
Sorry if I miss it. If you'll send again the URL I'll give a look to your
BMW.
> Your questions:
> > What does really make internet different from TV?
> - breadth and choice ... i can read/see what I want when I want, not
> when a TV exec decides to post a program head-to-head with another one
> (with the exception of "live" events) ... and I think there is more
> "good" stuff on the Net than on TV (but I'll admit to being extremely
> biased against TV in general).
So there are chances we won't sell toothpaste.
> > Do you think that it's "moral" to follow the way of flashing idiots
> > sites?
> Don't know about "moral" but would dub it "stupid."
Mumble well sometimes flashing means without conents and
attracting, without content and attracting, as the snake with Eve.
> > Do we ever will succede in selling toothpaste?
> On the net? Why? Here [stateside] I can buy toothpaste at a pharmacy,
> gasoline station store, grocery store, department store, airport vending
> machine .... why would i want to order it and have it shipped to me?
> that is one of the key things about net commerce (which few seem to talk
> about) .. the need to ship the item(s) and thus the lack of instant
> gratification that many Americans associate with "shopping" as a way to
> fill a psychological void.
Well maybe the most important problem is not compulsory need to
shop but the costs involved in sending you a tube of toothpaste.
> good point -- info about why I should buy one toothpaste
> (metaphorically) over another.
OK but this mean information not flashing things.
> remember, though, research bears out that consumers dont' do a lot of
> research for items where there isn't a lot of risk associated with the
> purchase. there is NOT a lot of risk associated with buying a tube of
> toothpaste for $1.98! and if that purchase price constitutes a risk,
> then that person is unlikely to have the assets necessary to have a
> computer and be online anyway!
Equation:
Consumers don't care what they buy => consumer are dumb =>
we have to serve flashing sites... :-(
> > I haven't seen a site that I find useful and that use "new client side
> > technology" and have a very sophisticated design.
> Agreed. My experience is, in general, that they are showcase sites for
> the developer. <shrug>
OK, so what the use of DHTML, CSS etc...
> > "Last" problem accessibility...
> > Since there won't be good reason I think that people as Javilk won't
> > use a "modern" browser and I'll continue to surf with JavaScript off.
> > And we cant forget there are people that cant decide (they don't
> > know or they really can't) how to browse a site.
> Agreed -- the net just highlights the fact that we are all individuals,
> doesn't it? Mass market is truly abandoned ....
Well our opinions start to diverge...
I'm not scared about mass market... I'm scared about bandwith
bottleneck and finding useful things in a lot of mess.
Appearance is a means to organize contents, but the web is
following the opposite direction
There exists HTML tags that should be used to organize contents
as <H1> <ADDRESS> <CITE> etc.. that aren't used anymore.
> > Do you think these "new technologies" have a future?
> > So will/should we support/develope for these "new technologies"?
> > Do you think browsers developers are following the right direction?
> >
> I think the technologies have a future, but it's not "just around the
> corner." There's bandwidth to be dealt with -- consumer education -- how
> to 'package' sites for PDAs <?> ....
>
> I think you use the technology appropriate for your client and their
> audience(s).
What the right technology is?
The one that help you to sell toothpaste???
Thanks for the nice conversation :-)
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