A caution about frames. My primary site was consistently in the top 5 in
the search engines until I switched to frames. I even maintain a noframes
version. Even still, now I'm not in the top 200. The link is in the
databases someplace but have fun trying to find it.
Now the site has grown to a point where it will be a major rewrite to take
the frames away. I'm not even sure if tables are indexed properly and I use
lots of them. Hopefully they are because instead of frames I'll add pne
more column to the tables and use SSI to present the navigation bar.
When you get 140+ pages in a site it's a total pain inthe rear to change
all the menus each time a link is added or changed. So SSI it is, even
though dynamic menus aren't indexed either, but the page contents should
make up for it. Now to find the time to do it without interrupting the
site's overall functions.
As far as which side to have the navbar on, I've found it to be more
natural to have it on the right. That, of course, depends on if you're
right- or left-handed. Maybe I'll make an entry page that asks which
orientation the visitor prefers and have the navbar dropped into that side.
Maybe not. It would need a script to do that.
Food for thought.
Jim
At 08:56 PM 9/15/98 -0500, Peter wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Maybe this is just local. I recall a book-seller telling me she had
>stocked up on java books before she came to a local convention (mid-
>south) as she sold many of those in St. Louis. Nope. She said older
>books were selling well.
>
>I thought frames had been relegated to what they were good at (and I
>think there are a lot of good uses for them).
>
>But now I find my "superiors" doing everything with frames. It seems
>like frame city. Everytime I turn around something is getting done
>with frames. I don't understand. I have a suspicion that the wysiwyg
>has suddenly gotten better at doing frames (not that it was ever hard
>but if you never knew html or weren't good at thinking a few moves
>ahead then I guess it was).
>
>Are designers out there going back to frames? And I am talking about
>for the whole site where the nav bar is in a frame on the left-hand
>side.
>
>I can tell you from some experience that I submitted a framed site to
>all the top engines (at least 10 of them) and to yahoo. We are
>getting a lot of hits from yahoo the directory but very little from
>the search engines. I myself inserted meta tags throughout the site
>(after the whole thing had been developed - I wrote a script to do
>it) because I felt it was imperative. But, a month after submitting
>to search engines we are getting no hits from them. Is it the
>frames? Is it too early? Hard to tell.
>
>BTW, I submitted to yahoo a few times. I even called and they did
>respond. But my submittal did not enter their database yet I
>received no errors when submitting the site. After they called I
>submited the site again and it was taken (not in all the categories I
>wanted but it was taken).
>
>Peter
>
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