> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 1998 7:01 AM
> > How nice of you to rig this so that if we don't hit the group reply
> > key, any critiques of your post go directly to you and not the group.
>
> I did that? How did I do that? I just clicked "REPLY" on the message
> I was commenting upon. According to my outbox, the message went to the
> list handler at just4u.com, and I suppose they sent it on to you.
Same with this one -- Reply is sent to ACM, and the list is left off
the reply unless one hits Group Reply. Funny how I see this on a lot of
controversial mail supporting MS, and not just on this list. I have fixed
the headers AGAIN, adding this list to the TO line!
> > What an effective strategy to muzzle those who disagree with you...
> > ... I think it wise for us to check the headers whenever replying to MS
> > apologists; from what I have seen, they don't all play fair, either!
>
> Thank you. When it rains and you get wet, do you assume that God is out
> to get you or that Microsoft is causing it to build market share?
No, that is a known phenomenon. Nor, when I know that it is caused
by aircraft, do I assume it is MS. But I have read about what MS has done
to innovators here in Silicon Valley, in the local papers and the trade
press.
> > With their revenues, MS does not have to make an immediate
> > profit on any product, like NS does.
>
> Yeah, poor little Netscape, a $650,000,000 company that didn't exist 1500
> days ago. I can see that they would really be surviving hand-to-mouth.
Not that large compared to MS. And as anyone who has ever taken an
accounting course knows, it is net that is more important than gross. It
is hard to get a decent net profit when some competitor is dumping
products that you are trying to sell. And when it is part of a larger
pattern, it is illegal.
> > ... It is a way of destroying creative people.
>
> So true; the creative people have been completely driven out of
> the industry.
Many have left, others are no longer willing to follow their hearts
with new ideas, because they see they can't win. Instead, they work on
mundane solutions for other corporations.
> > > ... IE4 is *vastly* superior
> > > to NS4; I can't think of a single example where I've found it easier
> > > to do something for NS than it was for IE. ...
> >
> > Baloney! (long rant about MS business practices elided)
>
> Since you didn't comment on my opinion of the two browsers, I assume
> that you agree with it.
First, you are adding editorialisms to MY TEXT LINE, not below it as
is proper netiquette. I did not write "(long rant...". Don't put your
words in my quotes!
I have had enough trouble with Internet Exploder it that I don't use
it. In fact, I had enough crashing with MS Wondoze that I gave up using
it except when I have to. I run Linux and Unix. They stay up for weeks,
even months. I am more likely to have to power down a machine to swap
cards and hard drives around, than to have Linux crash.
And in one place I worked, they said it was a firing offense to use
it because, as they put it in a memo to us, it is 'like leaving the doors
unlocked at night and telling all the security people to go home.' Oh, by
the way, they weren't an itsy bitsy corporation, either. They have been
heavily into the internet for a Long time.
> > (Gates) stole the idea of Windows from Steve Jobs, and Steve stoll
> > the idea from Xerox. (Stoll enough that Apple sued MS.)
>
> And Xerox got the idea from Doug Englebart. I don't know if this
> is documented, but I was there. (Note that Doug also invented the
That may well be. And he may have gotten it from... I forget who it
was, some odd name in a think tank it the 50's or 60's. Not Von Neuman,
but someone else with a German sounding name, I seem to recall.
> I have trouble taking anti-MS paranoia too seriously; the same
> kinds of people are saying the same things about MS now that were
> said about IBM twenty-five years ago. IBM had a larger share of
IBM had a period where they were too zealous as well, helping those
who backed them too much. They changed. They are a rather decent
organization, and I always enjoy working with them. Will MS change?
Probably not as long as BG runs it. It is easy to become paranoid when
you don't know how to innovate. And no, MS Basic, DOS, MS Windows,
Foxpro, Access... none of those things were real innovations, just good
marketing of ideas either floating around, or bought out.
> first by Apple and then by MS. Microsoft will be replaced in turn
> by The Next Big Company. Netscape had a chance to do it, had a
> tremendous running start with the browser (which they didn't invent
> either), but wasn't able to follow through with either substantive
> improvements or innovations. So it won't be them.
Hard to say who will win in the long run. But many people say that
MS does not play fair. My personal experiences tend to bear that out.
No one organization is capable of innovating something as large as
the web. The most important thing we can do, is to create platforms that
can be used, stacked, and built with by others to create things beyond our
ability to imagine. Of such things, is a good future built.
When any one organization tries to limit innovation, tries to buy up
and destroy ideas, violates patents and then thumbs it's collective nose
at judgments, as it did with the Stacker case till they sued MS a second
time to collect... That kind of behavior diminishing the potential of
future generations. And that kind of activity has to be stopped!
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