hehehe.... I'm a little (maybe more than a little...)  amused at this
concern with survival..
Personally, I do not think marketing is suitable without something to
market...

I think experiences - e.g. web2py handling registration for PyCon2009 -
these do more to "sell" and make interest than any amount of american-style
"let me talk you into this, and you need it because I say so..."

Blech!

PyCon dojo will help (shows how easy things are);

a wiki that rivals others (hint-hint:  forget about selling, and think about
contributing!);

survey application (to sell that, sell how it's done, and how easily you can
do similar things...)

reddish;

You get the picture.

Like web2py?  Find it userful?   Build something you can share, and _sell_
not just that (that's nice, and self interest) --- sell _how_ it was to make
it, and how it is to maintain (and extend)  it.

That is _real_ sales ;-)



On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:02 AM, weheh <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I agree that web2py must get a stronger following to ensure long-term
> survival and that marketing is having a first-order effect on progress
> towards achieving that goal. I strongly second the motion of using
> success stories showing links to web2py sites as an effective
> marketing strategy. I do not think I'm the exception in this regard.
> For instance, I got sidetracked by Zope/Plone for awhile during my
> search for web2py because they have links to a plethora of sites
> developed with Zope/Plone.
>
> The biggest marketing issue with regards to web2py that I see is a
> lack of consistency in look and feel in the various sub-sites that
> carry critical web2py information: http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/,
> http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/AlterEgo/default/show/101, epydocs, and
> documentation in general. In general, I have found it hard to figure
> out where to look to find out how to do stuff with web2py. This has
> slowed down my initial development efforts and forced me to fire off
> stupid questions that waste this group's time.
>
> I know you've all heard this before, but the biggest factor holding
> back web2py today is probably the documentation. People are cheap --
> so the fact that a basic tutorial and reference manual isn't available
> for free is probably a limiter for many users. In addition, the book I
> bought from Lulu doesn't have hypertext links to jump around from the
> index to the guts, so it's hard to read online. I had to print out all
> 200+ pages to have something useful to reference. The formatting is
> also a little strange with the crop marks, so the font ends up being
> too small to read comfortably for older eyes. Plus, there are a few
> too many spelling errors. Not to sound too critical, the doc has most
> of everything that you need if you read it carefully enough. It is out
> of date with regards to authentication, however, which is a critical
> capability.
>
> Anyway, my 2 cents, for what it's worth. I did high-tech marketing for
> 15 years, so I've officially had my lobotomy.
> >
>

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