I should add that I am born and raised in america, so when I speak of american-style marketing, I speak from experience, many first hand, of self-interested sales tactics. Real sales - real design too - _only_ works in relationships, where interests are equally counted, in shared instance cases. This, after all, has key evidence in open source software, does it not? I think so.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <[email protected]> wrote: > hehehe.... I'm a little (maybe more than a little...) amused at this > concern with survival.. > Personally, I do not think marketing is suitable without something to > market... > > I think experiences - e.g. web2py handling registration for PyCon2009 - > these do more to "sell" and make interest than any amount of american-style > "let me talk you into this, and you need it because I say so..." > > Blech! > > PyCon dojo will help (shows how easy things are); > > a wiki that rivals others (hint-hint: forget about selling, and think > about contributing!); > > survey application (to sell that, sell how it's done, and how easily you > can do similar things...) > > reddish; > > You get the picture. > > Like web2py? Find it userful? Build something you can share, and _sell_ > not just that (that's nice, and self interest) --- sell _how_ it was to make > it, and how it is to maintain (and extend) it. > > That is _real_ sales ;-) > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:02 AM, weheh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I agree that web2py must get a stronger following to ensure long-term >> survival and that marketing is having a first-order effect on progress >> towards achieving that goal. I strongly second the motion of using >> success stories showing links to web2py sites as an effective >> marketing strategy. I do not think I'm the exception in this regard. >> For instance, I got sidetracked by Zope/Plone for awhile during my >> search for web2py because they have links to a plethora of sites >> developed with Zope/Plone. >> >> The biggest marketing issue with regards to web2py that I see is a >> lack of consistency in look and feel in the various sub-sites that >> carry critical web2py information: http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/, >> http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/AlterEgo/default/show/101, epydocs, and >> documentation in general. In general, I have found it hard to figure >> out where to look to find out how to do stuff with web2py. This has >> slowed down my initial development efforts and forced me to fire off >> stupid questions that waste this group's time. >> >> I know you've all heard this before, but the biggest factor holding >> back web2py today is probably the documentation. People are cheap -- >> so the fact that a basic tutorial and reference manual isn't available >> for free is probably a limiter for many users. In addition, the book I >> bought from Lulu doesn't have hypertext links to jump around from the >> index to the guts, so it's hard to read online. I had to print out all >> 200+ pages to have something useful to reference. The formatting is >> also a little strange with the crop marks, so the font ends up being >> too small to read comfortably for older eyes. Plus, there are a few >> too many spelling errors. Not to sound too critical, the doc has most >> of everything that you need if you read it carefully enough. It is out >> of date with regards to authentication, however, which is a critical >> capability. >> >> Anyway, my 2 cents, for what it's worth. I did high-tech marketing for >> 15 years, so I've officially had my lobotomy. >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
