Massimo - Sounds good.
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, mdipierro <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yarko. Many more people than you know are using web2py. > > I know of companies who do and I know of government organizations who > do, although I am not saying their names without their permission. While this is understandable for occaisional users, it makes little sense that there is _no one_ to talk about. > For various reason these users tend to use web2py do develop > applications for internal use and not public web sites. Our users are > naturally reserved about what they do. We pitch web2py as an > Enterprise framework in fact. If I - anyone - tries to sell someone, the first questions that come out are something like this: - Who else uses this? How much do they use this? - Is there enough users that if something happens to you, we will be able to find someone to maintain / update? - How widely is it used? How much traffic has this seen? > > We should not confuse apples and oranges. Some frameworks are popular > because they have been used to develop public blogs, wikies and things > like that. While web2py, for example, has been used to develop a > complex system for a major bank. If you read posts on this list you > find people are using web2py to build systems for medical records and > accounting systems. You are not hearing me - I am not talking about populrity - I am talking about something else. E.g. - "Medical system I am not at liberty to disclose; type of use: records; estimated data size: over 10M records; estimated user base: > 1000 system uses; frequency of use: daily 24/7" is a FAR sight different than "people are developing for major medical system with web2py! Isn't that great?!" The first I (you - anyone) can take to a client (assuming it is accompanied by _some_ disclosable data, e.g. "City of Sao Paulo; http://www.here_i_am_a_web2py_site.gov";); the second is no more than so much talk. > > > One of the most iPhone apps is called iFart. By that analogy > popularity is not a measure of quality nor a measure of success. I ask for data, concrete evidence, and you talk to me about popularity... this (iFart) example is completely irrelevant here. > > It is good that web2py runs on the Google App Engine and I would like > to see more applications but I am happier with one major bank a web2py > app than 100 GAE apps to post pictures of cats. Me too. In fact, look at this page: http://www.joomla.org/about-joomla.html Notice "who uses Joomla" (a php cms that is in my face at at least one organization: "Yarko look at this: who uses web2py? what can I show the board of directors to compare? They are being told they should go with Joomla" --- *Get real: NO ONE is asking about popularity!!!) *Notice the balance: only ONE "internal, we can't show you" in a sea of 9 sites. Notice: while there are no statistics here, the _sense_ is: "kinds of uses". Want to see that? I particularly liked the Harvard site: http://gsas.harvard.edu/ Click around it; hover over things; "feels" responsize. It's a good "first impression". "Yarko - is there a web2py site like this we can look at with the Board of Directors?" Ummm- I'm trying to find something.... please just be patient with that contract.... Don't go to php just yet... > I would be like Google to acknowledge web2py more on their site. For > this to happen the community has to speak up. One way to do it is, > when asking questions on their list, make clear that we are using > web2py. That (mention what you are using, why you are asking) is at least a sane suggestion. Doesn't address my issue in the least, but at least it makes some sense. > Massimo > Yarko --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
