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On Jul 6, 3:48 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM, mdipierro <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I understand what you are trying to say but when you say "no one is
> > using web2py" gives people the wrong impression and not the correct
> > one. It is not fair to member of this community who use web2py.
>
> Massimo - "no one is using..." are your words, not mine - what I _did_ say
> is there is a gross shortage
> of sites you can point to that serve signicifant users (PyCon registration
> being the one clear exception).
>
> This doesn't need to be fair or unfair - it just data - what is (I hesitate
> to say "fact" as there may be unknown data).
>
>
>
> > You should also assume that there are lots of people on this list who
> > are considering web2py but have not yet made their mind about it.
>
> There are people who consider using it for developing projects.
>
> Do you deny it would help them, if they are to present to their partners,
> their clients, their boards, etc.
> if we had more evidence collected and available for them (us) to use as
> resources?
>
> Do you realy believe this is not useful? Data is not useful? Ach!
>
> Serving that community - even if it gets uncomfortable - if fair.
>
>
>
> > As you pointed out Pycon 2009 used web2py to register 800 users and
> > handled thousands of monetary transactions.
>
> This is significant. Cooperated w/ django app for site info.
>
>
>
> >http://www.klasproducts.com/uses web2py to sell hundreds of products
>
> This is important, if small quantity. It is a nice site.
>
>
>
> >http://www.spinyc.com/uses web2py in their intranet
>
> This is significant, but anecdotal (nothing you can show someone for them to
> experience; perhaps a mockup that is open would be possible?).
> Runs with RorR as main site (and all we can see / point to).
>
>
>
> >http://www.whitepeaksoftware.com/ uses web2py for their web site
>
> For purposes of showing web2py look and feel, this is just a website front
> done in web2py;
> The storefront is something else; the blog is wordpress. There is nothing
> of the "benefits" of web2py to show here I could see.
>
> That is not to criticize - no sense re-inventing wheels; use what is
> available, and build what is new and interesting.
>
> But from the standpoint of being a showcase example for this community to
> draw on - for people wanting to show sites
> that take advantage of the benefits of web2py, I do not feel this belongs on
> this list.
>
> We need to be more discerning.
>
>
>
> >http://diarywiz.com/is powered by web2py
>
> This is a real application example. I'm not sure how it is significant in
> terms of what it does new (for example, like survey tool did),
> and I'm not sure that I would show this as an example to clients, boards,
> etc....
>
> It seems like an appropriate example for prospective developers.
>
>
>
> > There are just some of those we know about and choose to advertise
> > what they do.
>
> So that is 2 for "showcase" - one very low usage ("hundreds"), one seasonal
> but successful (near 1000 users).
>
>
>
> > Of course more people will come out eventually. As I said most of the
> > work is done on intranet apps.
>
> Let's hear talk about them. Even if someone can't name the company, or the
> specifics it is useful to hear kinds of things.
>
>
>
> > There is no question that Django is more popular and Drupal is
> > probably much more popular than web2py. They have been around longer,
> > came first and had more time to build a community. Moreover Drupal is
> > a designed to build CMS therefore apps made with Drupal are naturally
> > publicly available.
>
> I am pointing out what will be helpful here, for web2py, for this community.
> I am stating what I could use now, what I want
>
> Those other things, comparing, are just distractions (inasmuch as they serve
> as guideposts, examples, lessons of aspects
> we can benefit from).
>
>
>
> > I do not think discussion about how popular we are vs how popular they
> > are is healthy. Moreover despite what some people think I do not care
> > much about it. I would like the discussion to focus more on what we do
> > better (feature wise), what they do better, what can we do to improve
> > our features, what can we do to promote web2py features.
>
> I am puzzled why you keep using the term "popular" - you must have some
> issue with this.
> There is "fad"; there is popular because useful, reasons behind use (e.g.
> excercise is popular - it helps you stay healthy! When the evidence smoking
> was bad for health became available, smoking became much less "popular").
>
> Discussing what we can do better feature wise - and this is my point - I'd
> like to see balanced with
> EVIDENCE / EXAMPLES of that "better" - "Here - look at this site, for
> example; or look at this example site."
>
> People ask ME for that, and it's a fair request.
>
> > Some people are not interested in features as are only interested in
> > learning the system that will give them the highest chance of getting
> > hired. Some people are interested in features as a way to get the job
> > done better and quicker. I am working for this second class of users.
> > I am interested in building a community for these people.
>
> Your own words: "...get *the job done* better, quicker..."
>
> It's what I hear -> "You say this is better? Show me." Show me the jobs.
>
> *sigh*
>
> A little intentional focus on this kind of evidence, on
> *applied* "better, quicker" can only help web2py.
>
> Thinking about "I think this will be easier" is fun, creative;
> When it works in many hands / many situations, is work, not always so much
> "fun";
> this is what builds confidence.
> This is nothing new.
>
> For _your_ comfort, I will say no more on this topic - regardles, I think
> that clear talk about this topic is in the best interests of web2py, the
> web2py community.
>
>
>
> > Massimo
>
> Yarko
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