On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:00 PM, mdipierro <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Yarko, > > we should not transform a strength into a weakness. Massimo, Massimo, Massimo - Facts are neither strength or weakness (these words from you seem strange indeed). > As I stressed many > times web2py is mostly used to develop intranet apps in corporate > environments (small and medium size businesses). > > There are people do not want to say what they are doing with web2py > and do not want to advertise that they are using web2py because they > are not developing open source projects, because their paid by an > employer who does not want them to publicly say what they are doing, > because > they do not know if they will meet their deadline, and for many other > reasons I agree - but you would have me believe that is the _only_ user base, and that challenges credibility, and raises questions. Besides, even IN THE CORPORATION - to get a project ok'd, you STILL need some evidence like I'm calling for, so your arguments seem to me circular, avoiding... > > While the fact that we want to have more information is a problem for > us, this is not a weakness of web2py. I agree - not a weakness, merely the current opportunity (if it is recognized). > Those corporate users are > exactly our target users and they are entitled to keep their privacy. > I do not care if nobody says they are using web2py. I know we get more > tha 1000 visitors/day and more than 100downloads/day. Yes - well, your personal interests are teaching. My personal interests are connecting teachings to practical uses. We have complementary objectives. Downloading is fine; learning is fine; being able to apply what you learn to the benefit of others is... divine! ;-) > > I see how everybody is eager to increase the users base. I am not - increasing the user base should be a symptom; a sign that we are doing something right. The question remains: who is that user base? Why is it increasing? (The answers will affect interpretation, of course!) Downloads of web2py measure NO increasing the "I use this great website and it really helps me / our organization. What was that thing is was built with again???" - that is the base to increase (indirectly) now. I made a plot of #users/time from the data in the google group. What that is, is a plot of potential web site writers... not "users", coders (or "would-be" coders, people considering if the cost of entry is good for them, their ideas). > The > data is nicely fit by an exponential. What is remarkable is that there > are no bumps in the data. It is very smooth. This means web2py is not > spreading because of major events (like my reddit posts) but it is > spreading by word of mouth. For people not familiar with website programming, web2py has an unmistakably low threshold (and some conceptual roadblocks) For people who know website programming, there is also some special leverage (and some flexigility barriers, although the important ones are lowering all the time - which is great). You have hit a particular market - two classes of web-developers (and would-be developers). Now, what kind of end-user impact will these groups achieve? > > > So, we'll keep collecting information people want to send us and we > encourage them to do so. But, most importantly, we should all do our > best to talk about the tools we like to use and contribute develop. And why we like to use them, and how they help (or hinder) our end goals, and how best to work towards those end goals, and how best to see them, and to look at how they have worked in practice (so me may stay rooted in reality). > > > Massimo Yarko --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
