Herman, you have good points
On Jul 17, 3:02 pm, Hernan Olivera <[email protected]> wrote:
> 2009/7/17 Bottiger <[email protected]>:
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> > Django also has the ability to use SQLite.
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> > Web2Py is a somewhat better at everything Django tries to do, but the
> > differences are simply not enough for the average programmer to see
> > through in 1 sitting. Let's take a look at the commonly cited features
> > of Web2Py.
>
> > **Please note this is not a bashing of Web2Py.**
>
> > - Web Editor
>
> > This is pretty nice yes, but its no replacement for a regular text
> > editor. Often times when I am using it, there will be graphical
> > glitches where text gets smeared all over the place. Often times when
> > I am editing even a simple tutorial, the save stops working, and
> > doesn't even tell you that the session has timed out. For most people,
> > this is not that much of a difference.
>
> > - Compilation
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> > Django does this automatically, so I don't know why this is considered
> > a feature.
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> > - Secure
>
> > The average programmer does not have the ability to see any concrete
> > benefit this has over Django. From what I've seen learning Web2Py, it
> > doesn't do anything that Django doesn't do with filtering and escaping
> > text, html etc.
>
> > - Server-side form validation
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> > This is nice, but it is the trademark of Django for having really nice
> > auto-generated forms.
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> > - Internationalization
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> >http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/i18n/
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> > - SSL Streaming
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> > Django does it with middleware.
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> > - And everything else I can think of.
>
> > On Jul 17, 4:38 am, JohnMc <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> One other point. Web2Py is lightweight enough using sqlite that it
> >> fits quite well in areas where --
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> >> * portability is required.
> >> * space is at a premium.
> >> * The ability to have multitude of support applications are not
> >> possible (eg java creep, jre)
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> >> Just a thought.
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> >> On Jul 17, 6:34 am, JohnMc <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >> > The problem with Web2Py is that it does not have a niche. Right now,
> >> > Django is occupying the same niche. As the first-comer, it has the
> >> > advantage that people already know how to use it. Until Web2Py manages
> >> > to have a benefit greater than its own learning curve, Web2Py will
> >> > continue to sit in second place.
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> >> > I hereby invoke the Jack Welch rule - Be first or second in any
> >> > endeavor, otherwise get out.
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> >> > Were Web2Py to be number two behind Django after a concerted effort,
> >> > that quite frankly would be an outcome worth crowing about. Being
> >> > number two in the software game is not a bad place to be.
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> >> > I have said in a previous post that Web2Py support of a schemeless DB
> >> > would put it in a position to have a niche. The 'cloud' might have a
> >> > lot of action but there is still going to be whole swaths of the
> >> > economy where the cloud will not be feasible (eg. NYSE). Which DB I
> >> > leave up to those more insightful than myself.
>
> >> > JohnMc
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> >> > On Jul 17, 2:34 am, Bottiger <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >> > > > Finally, this community has to do a better job at outreach. You
> >> > > > should
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> >> > > talk to your friends and blog about web2py. You must talk about the
> >> > > applications you build with it. We do not lack developers. We lack
> >> > > salesmen.
>
> Hi guys
>
> Excuse me because my donkey-english-style :) I hope you will undestand.
>
> I think there is a niche that web2py could fit. I really have not made
> more than little tests with web2py. I'm less than a beginner. What's
> my point? I think there is a need to migrate a lot of old
> administrative systems to a good web solution. Everyone with a vb or
> .net application in an organization is thinking about migrating it to
> a web-app.
>
> I've started to migrate such app, first evaluating web frameworks,
> only Python ones, and choose Django.
>
> BUT
>
> - It must be more simple to build a usual dataentry form, preloading
> values, filling associated values (ej: item number -> description,
> price, etc). Yo need to work a lot with jquery, use some autocomplete,
> but all is hand-made. Admin is ok, but nothing to do with this kind of
> stuff. There are not so much use cases, it must be easy to automatize
> this.
>
> - It must be more simple to work with an existing DB and a new DB,
> migrating data, synchronizing them, in a smooth way to replace the old
> system, withouth stopping, aligning and testing both systems, still
> everyone wants to use only the new system.
>
> - It must be more simple to build reports, and printing formatted stuff.
>
> I think that organizations tend to mix web sites and administrative
> systems in one web system, with one front to internet and other (or
> the same) for the intranet.
>
> I believe that if web2py can do that, tons of systems will migrate.
>
> And, everyone can build a web site with Rails, Django, Symfony etc.
>
> My 2 cents
>
> --
> Hernan Olivera
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