On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Bottiger <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Django also has the ability to use SQLite. > > Web2Py is a somewhat better at everything Django tries to do, but the > differences are simply not enough for the average programmer to see > through in 1 sitting. Let's take a look at the commonly cited features > of Web2Py. > > **Please note this is not a bashing of Web2Py.** > > - Web Editor > > This is pretty nice yes, but its no replacement for a regular text > editor. Often times when I am using it, there will be graphical > glitches where text gets smeared all over the place. Often times when > I am editing even a simple tutorial, the save stops working, and > doesn't even tell you that the session has timed out. For most people, > this is not that much of a difference. You have these kinds of lockups?!? I've always found I prefer using MY editor - if I _really_ want to do it thru the web (even for small stuff) I use firefox, and get the "It's all Text" plugin - specify "my favorite editor" (vim, for me). The only thing annoying is that "plain text" is not the default mode in web2py, so I always have to either twiddle this (which is what I do - because I usually develop from WingIDE, which I greatly prefer) or patch the defaul (don't know I've ever done that... I just stay out of any but the most minor of developing on the web). https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 > > > - Compilation > > Django does this automatically, so I don't know why this is considered > a feature. Really?!? Are we talking byte code compilation / precompilation (prior to deployment), or are we talking about compilation of all-in-one executables for Mac of PC? "Automatic" compilation (bytecode) is what Python does, actually.... but I don't think that's what we mean here... > > > - Secure > > The average programmer does not have the ability to see any concrete > benefit this has over Django. From what I've seen learning Web2Py, it > doesn't do anything that Django doesn't do with filtering and escaping > text, html etc. Does django now do this by default? (I think it didn't used to - it just provided a way for you to, as I recall...). Anyway, that's a good thing. all the rest of this is smack-dab peachy: I'll remind you of one thing - there was a website, guy from NOAA I think it was - that showed all the frameworks that claimed to have something; he tried building something simple with them and uncovered all the flaws and gotchas and try to say "here's what I would (wouldn't) want to build with".... most things just took a long time... web2py wasn't in that, but we discussed this about a year ago - web2py would have done really well in that. I have often pined that it would be good to re-do that video with current versions of "stuff", and include web2py... For example: 1 year ago, there was a contest: "come bring your favorite framework and deliver an app" - no pre-anouncement of what you would build, 24 hr (? or was it 12 hrs) time limit, start to finish. The ONLYONE that even finished: you guessed it: web2py; and that in LESS than the alloted time. (See a running result on http://web2py.appspot.com/survey). Since no one else completed, web2py didn't get recognized at the conference (I think they didn't want to alienate the other frameworks). SO - this is what there is to remember about web2py. There is more - at the PyCon DoJo, no one (not Bruce Eckel - who suggested and helped us outline and plan it - he thought we were too ambitious, that no one would get "all that done" in an hour; not people participating, including some knowledgable people - they were surprised... but it was a lot of "mind shift" to absorb in an hour regardless)... SO when you spout features, spout accessibility of those features too.... The reason (my opinion) Massimo is not wanting "help" w/ next DAL is he's trying to make it easier for people to use, based on all the questions he's answered (no one else has that accumulation of experience w/ the questions). Is there work to do? Yes. Is there anything to web2py ("that other's don't have") - You bet ... just be sure you're measuring the right things. (I really, now, am going to have to dig up that URL to the video comparison...) - Yarko --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
