Good points. On Oct 28, 1:46 pm, snfctech <[email protected]> wrote: > Is maintaining a forum really a significant time drain for a serious > FOSS project?
Mantaining the mailing list is not a dignificant drain. repeatedly answering the same emails it. A for can chance that only maintaining the forum does not make things worse. I am happy to outsource this completely to a member of the group if I get some assurance about data backups. > Can someone help me understand why it is okay to let a > thread expire on a group? I can't count the number of times I have > resurrected an old thread to add more info that I have found out - or > have messages sent to people who were still subscribed and who figured > out the problem but just forgot to update the thread. With groups you > have to start the thread all over again. That seems inefficient and > redundant. True. It is a problem. > I haven't yet figured out what sort of management model this project > follows - but if it were democratic, we could easily attach a poll to > this thread to gain consensus, if we were using a forum. On the other > hand, if it's more of a "benevolent dictatorship", then I guess this > grumbling will continue indefinitely. LOL. I like this. I think this is a "benevolnet dictatorship" but I very much welcome user consultations in the form of polls. I would like that to be optional and limited to controversial cases. My dictatorship power comes into play in some cases: 1) make sure backward compatibility is not broken 2) make sure the API has a uniform syntax as much as possible (this is an aesthetic issues so there is no way people can agree). 3) prevent copyright issues. Massimo > On Oct 28, 8:29 am, Julio <[email protected]> wrote: > > > - Provides working search-ability (sorry Groups still sucks hard in > > this area) > > > Timbo - Can you explain what you mean by "groups" in pyforum (and any > > suggestions you may have that might be useful to implement)? > > > (if this goes a bit off-topic, feel free to reply to me directly) - > > Thanks.. > > > On Oct 28, 6:09 am, Timbo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The forum option has been discussed multiple times. Let me (once > > > again) throw in my support for it. > > > > pyForum: > > > - Provides working search-ability (sorry Groups still sucks hard in > > > this area) > > > - Allows one to still receive emails > > > - Fills a gap for those of us who want to keep up with the community > > > but don't want an email every 5 minutes. (I'm on digest of the list > > > but a forum would better fit my level of interest/involvement) > > > - Having web2py use it would be dog-fooding and drive the development > > > of both > > > > With the mailinglist, there is no good search option for those not > > > using their own email client for search. Remember the Python 3 > > > question? There's a reason it pops up once every 2-3 weeks. Because > > > Google Groups search will not find anything on list after a while and > > > so the question is asked again. There's GMANE but most users don't > > > know to look there and the user interface is not the most friendly. > > > > I vote pyForum. > > > > -tim > > > > On Oct 28, 4:07 am, salingrosso <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think that we could use something like mailman for the mailing list > > > > (but I > > > > must say that for now I hadn't problems with google groups) and we > > > > should > > > > have also a forum. I don't think that we must necessarily use a forum > > > > software realized in web2py, not immediately at least. > > > > > 2009/10/28 mdipierro <[email protected]> > > > > > > Right now the web2py google group takes negligible maintenance time. > > > > > We have about 10 managers. > > > > > > Massimo > > > > > > On Oct 27, 11:26 pm, david bain <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I'm not against a forum, but I don't think I'd use it much. I'm > > > > > especially > > > > > > concerned that setting up and maintaining a forum may distract the > > > > > > core > > > > > > developers from developing, whatever minimizes the administrative > > > > > overhead > > > > > > of running the web2py project is good as it frees minds to focus on > > > > > > improving the code. > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM, JorgeRpo <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I rather like a forum because it doesnt require to clog my email > > > > > > > box > > > > > > > with threaded msg. > > > > > > > > We need a forum. We've had already discussed this. > > > > > > > > On Oct 27, 10:20 pm, Thadeus Burgess <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I like the mailing list because I can access it from gmail > > > > > > > > easily. > > > > > Forum > > > > > > > Iw > > > > > > > > ould have to go to yet one more site to communicate. I like > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > everything in gmail if at all possible. > > > > > > > > > -Thadeus > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:58 PM, mdipierro > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All together I am happy with it. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 27, 9:53 pm, david bain <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I understand the spam issue with Google Groups, however I > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > "throw > > > > > > > > > > the baby out with the bathwater". I find mailing lists to > > > > > > > > > > be very > > > > > > > > > valuable. > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:50 PM, mengu <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i think a forum would be more helpful and better. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 28, 2:56 am, mdipierro <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We are 10x smaller so I guess we get 10x less spam. We > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > 50-100 spam emails/day. We block the emails used by > > > > > > > > > > > > spammers. > > > > > We > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > only one reported case of actual user being spoofed. > > > > > > > > > > > > That did > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > some trouble for the user. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure there are much better options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Massimo > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 27, 6:45 pm, Richard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting article from John Resig of JQuery fame: > > > > > > > > > > >http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it really this bad Massimo? > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > SplashStart - Professional Websites. Starting Now. > > > > > > > > >http://www.splashstart.com > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > SplashStart - Professional Websites. 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