On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Branko Vukelic <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 9:45 AM, annet <[email protected]> wrote: > > I like the new admin interface, however, I had t re-open an older > > version of web2py to figure out the meaning of the black and yellow > > circle (test, my first association was 'beware toxic waste'). Maybe a > > tooltip would solve this problem. > > Yes, that would most definitely help. I'll think of a solution along > those lines. > > > Furthermore I think edit/delete/test should all be buttons or all be > > icons not a mixture as it is now. In my opinion the current X stands > > That's been discussed, and this solution is deliberate. I do think the > current solution is optimal. There was a pretty intuitive edit icon, > but icons are small, etc etc. I've already explained the rationale > behind this. > > > I also wonder about the size of the X icon, why 15x15 whereas 16x16 is > > more common. > > This is not a desktop environment where apps are providing their own > icons and icons need standardization. So we're free to use whatever > size fits the purpose. The icon sizes take into account the size of > the surrounding text, etc. The actual bitmaps are actually 22x22px, > padded to give some spacing between the adjacent icons and buttons. > > > Personally, I like the icons webfaction is using, consistent styling > > and a clear meaning. > > You could grab the webfaction icons (I don't use webfaction, so I > don't know what those look like, really) and replace the existing > admin icons with them. Grab a screenshot and show us what it looks > like. The existing icons are located here: > > /path/to/web2py/applications/admin/static/images > > Specifically, you're looking for files that end in ``_icon.png``. > > > These are not criticism, just thoughts that might help improve the > > admin interface. > > UI design is most like app design. You provide a 'test case' where a > specific bug prevents correct operation of the UI, and propose a > solution. Otherwise it's a feature request. At least that's how I view > things. I consider the following a bug: > > 1. Someone didn't understand what particular piece of UI does (and had > no way of finding out) > 2. Someone thought a piece of UI did something, but in fact it did > something else > 3. Someone managed to break the UI by doing X > 4. UI doesn't display correctly for client X > > Another set of minor bugs would be: > > 5. A piece of UI gives unnecessary cognitive noise > 6. A piece of UI breaks the overall syle of the UI > > Other cases are what Steve Krug calls 'canoe problem': you were > confused but you figured it out quickly enough and it didn't get in > the way by the time you've used it more than two or three times. This > is _not_ considered a problem with the UI. > > To conclude: > > * In annet's case, test icons fall under the first category of bugs, > so it will be addressed. The appearance of the delete button, and it's > functionality is not a bug, so it's a wontfix. > > * The 'redness' of the X icon would fall into the 5th category, but > there is no good solution, so it's a wontfix, again. Proposed solution > all break 6 or are similar to the current solution. > > What? Really. I've seen quite a number of good solutions run through this topic. Obviously most of the community agrees that the X icon falls in the 5th category, so the problem is a shouldfix, not a wontfix. I'll propose another solution. Lets think. How often do you need to delete a file (if you are me, not very often) why don't we have the X's hidden, but have a link at the top saying 'Delete files' which then exposes the X's. iPhone uses a similar concept to delete files and it works great. > * Personal preference does not get addressed (by me, not in general). > It's a Pandora's box, and I won't be the one to open it. You are all > free to modify the admin according to your own preferences. > > > -- > Branko Vukelić > > [email protected] > [email protected] > > Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ > Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ > Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) > I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny > > Gimp Brushmakers Guild > http://bit.ly/gbg-group >
