On 7/13/09, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <luke.leigh...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I concur with Maciej. > > > > Luke, in some other culture your posts are already considered derogatory > and > > insulting.
also - (i apologise for not thinking of this earlier) - it's worth emphasising that early on in the #16401 development process, when things were going well, the development was progressing rapidly, and i was collecting valuable contributions, advice and input from several sources, including apple employees as well as free software sources, i felt absolutely no need to swear. then, as the sheer scale of the work began to become clear to the reviewers, they began to feel overwhelmed, and, in an effort to reduce stress levels, began to throw up barriers. i began to provide technical counter-arguments and justifications for the progress, and still i did not feel any need to swear. i was asked to take several weeks worth of steps backwards, and began to feel pressurised: eight weeks at eleven hour days has a price. alp toker noticed that things were not going swimmingly and asked that the cost - financial and psychological - be taken into consideration. it was not. at this point, with "rules" and "procedures" and "processes" being placed over-and-above actual people, things started to break down. now we're suddenly gone from development being fun and exciting into development that is about fulfilling your duty and fulfilling the committment to the free software community that you serve, _especially_ in the face of continued hostility and complete lack of respect. this is the experience that you, apple, should never subject anyone to - should not be should not have been responsible for subjecting onto _anyone_. i trust that you, apple, will learn from this breakdown in communications. i trust that the changes to procedures and processes that you will make will help you to spot such things well in advance and act accordingly and appropriately, to make contributing to webkit as interesting and exciting as it should be. lastly, ariya, i've mentioned this elsewhere, but it's worth reiterating, here. as an experienced and gifted developer, i can take any code, from anywhere, and can pretty much immediately make useful contributions to it. i then also have the skills to manage, build and release that code. not everyone has the ability to do that. so i put up with a lot of flak from people such as apple employees in order to serve those users and developers who do _not_ have the ability that i do. and i invite you to ask yourselves: whom do _you_ serve? the answer to that question is the reason why i make the recommendation that webkit gets a charter. l. _______________________________________________ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev
