On Dec 5, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
I wasn't really impressed by that article. It sounded like someone
complaining about all persistence frameworks at the same time
without really understanding even the first one he ever used ... or
he wouldn't write:
"For example, SQL is a very dynamic language that you can’t state it
with objects. What we see is QUERY, JOIN, WHERE objects in ORM
frameworks to re-implement SQL again in object world. We made this
mistake in our first ORM framework but corrected in second one."
I didn't read it all that thoroughly as I got the impression that
someone is whining about things he did do wrong in the first quarter
of the article. I might be wrong about that, but definitely he
wasn't able to show his understanding of the difference of all the
tools out there. And complaining about all of them at the same time
- at least you should be able to show the differences.
Well, that is one thing that people often complain about WO - there is
no current comparison to its competitors. It thought it might be
interesting to look at this this from a WO in 2008 with Wonder
perspective and see how many of his grumbles are still valid (if they
ever were).
Chuck
On 05.12.2008, at 14:47, David Holt wrote:
Hi Anjo,
I thought the interesting part is that most of the authors
"pitfalls of Java Persistence" are addressed by WebObjects,
DirectToWeb, EOF and WOnder. What's interesting is that he says he
was using it in 2000 and then wandered off into the desert creating
his own persistence layer(s) when he had already had exposure to a
good solution! Maybe that's a typical story that happened as WO
moved from NeXT to Apple, but as someone who got to WebObjects much
later, from the so-called easy development environment of PHP, I
wish I'd been using WO in 2000 and not spending 3 or 4 years
heading towards a relative dead end.
David
On 5-Dec-08, at 1:18 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
Am 05.12.2008 um 18:38 schrieb Chuck Hill:
http://fromapitosolution.blogspot.com/2008/12/criticism-of-java-persistence.html
WebObjects gets mentioned twice. Might be an interesting read if
you have spare time.
Where exactly is the interesting part? Or is it because I have no
spare time?
Cheers, Anjo
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