I'd be willing to test this on OSX. I can try it when I'm at work tomorrow.

Is there any chance it could be hosted at objectstyle? The only reason I ask is 
that I think url's can matter - having consistent url's for things WO could 
make the effort seem a lot more centralized. One link and you would know you're 
downloading a working installer from the same site where the tools are hosted. 
Then following on Kieran's idea, we could have a separate link to a repository 
for those interested in tracking/committing changes to an installer.

Tim Worman
UCLA GSE&IS

On Dec 6, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

> Probably we would have it in Wonder under svn (or maybe somewhere else 
> initially, maybe googlecode, if the effort was by those of us who have not 
> commit rights to Wonder)
> 
> ... and since any dev worth his salt has svn installed (comes with virgin OS 
> X SL - not sure if it was there before I installed xcode though), so the 
> instructions would be two command. (1) pull down the script from svn (or a 
> mdimension hudson build page and (2) just run it.
> 
> This might tie in with Bill Chin's (mDimension) plans to possibly release 
> some scripts that set up a deployment environment since there is commonality 
> there.
> 
> On Dec 6, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Tim Worman wrote:
> 
>> Also, I'm not a shell scripting maestro but I'd volunteer effort to help 
>> keep a tool installer updated.
>> 
>> Tim Worman
>> UCLA GSE&IS
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 6, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
>> 
>>> I was setting up a new SL dev environment, and just to see what the initial 
>>> installation and setup procedure would be like for a complete newbie on SL, 
>>> I looked on the wiki for instructions for the simplest possible path to new 
>>> installation on a virgin Snow Leopard.
>>> 
>>> It seems that really, a newbie would probably be confused and would 
>>> probably struggle. :-(
>>> 
>>> 
>>> After installing WebObjects 5.4.3 using Apple's dmg installer and then 
>>> installing the "All In One" Eclipse/WOLips installer from Jeremy's .mac 
>>> page (since the sisu download was slow as molasses with an est time of 1 
>>> day+!), I then hit a roadblock, getting an error when launching Eclipse 
>>> after running Jeremy's installer.
>>>     " An Error has occurred"
>>>     " See the log file ~/.eclipse/...../blahblah.log"
>>> 
>>> That error log file is full of "missing required bundle" messages.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, just FYI, I don't have time for troubleshooting this now .... I am 
>>> doing my usual 3.4.2 download and install/setup the manual way.
>>> 
>>> Since Jeremy is not working in WO anymore and this is AIO (All In One) 
>>> installer is clearly broken for install on a virgin OS X Snow Leopard box, 
>>> we might want to just discontinue the all-in-one installer and just go 
>>> write a concise "WebObjects Developer Quick Start Guide" for newbies 
>>> .......so I started a wiki page on this and will work on completing it as I 
>>> get time. Any thoughts on that? Should I wipe all references on the wiki to 
>>> the AIO?
>>> 
>>> If we are ever going to get new devs to come to WebObjects, we need to have 
>>> a working quick start. Any dev worth his salt should be comfortable on the 
>>> command line, so maybe a bash install script that downloads and installs 
>>> various bits and configures everything might be the better route. Any 
>>> opinions on that?
>>> 
>>> BTW, I went to use the WOInstaller.jar initially and thinking that a newbie 
>>> would want standard install paths, I set the WOInstaller.jar target as "/", 
>>> but got an error saying System directory already exists. Should the 
>>> WOInstaller.jar's CPIO class be changed to just overwrite existing files? 
>>> Does that "overlay" directory paths (aka merge eith existing files if named 
>>> differently, or does it realyl "replace" existing directories (ie., wiping 
>>> them out)?
>>> 
>>> Anyway, this is just some meandering thoughts / discussion before I leave 
>>> off the "How would a newbie WO dev fare on getting started" for now and go 
>>> do some work.
>>> 
>>> Regards, Kieran
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