Kevin
________________________________ From: Pascal Robert <[email protected]> To: Kevin Spake <[email protected]> Cc: Paul D Yu <[email protected]>; WebObjects Development <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 11:01:29 AM Subject: Re: Installing the tools: The One True Way? Le 2011-05-09 à 12:36, Kevin Spake a écrit : > > >I haven't touched a unix command line in a long time. Luckily, CD and MKDIR >are >the same on DOS so I was able to use the git terminal commands to get Wonder. >I >know with Realbasic, and maybe with visualbasic as well, there is little or no >need for using the command line so easing users into it after they have >absorbed >some of the other material may be helpful. > > >Unless you are planning to deploy your applications on Windows, command line >knowledge will be a requirement for deployments. > >It's not a question of if, but when. Do you begin as you intend to go on, ie. >start out with some command line stuff, or take steps to eliminate that in the >very beginning and expect to deal with it a little later on? How much effort >should be made to compensate for the neophyte? >> ________________________________ From: Paul D Yu <[email protected]> >To: WebObjects Development <[email protected]> >Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53:26 AM >Subject: Re: Installing the tools: The One True Way? > >I think the migration to the "one way" is absolutely the right thing to do. > This is the basis from Crossing the Chasm. > > >We have to simplify and make things consistent for the general new developers. > > >Paul > >On May 9, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > > >> >>Le 2011-05-09 à 10:18, John Huss a écrit : >> >>Mike floated the idea a while back about integration WO installation into >>WOLips. That is the best option in my opinion. Barring that, I still think >>the >>easiest, sure to work method is to: >>> >>> >>>1) Use Apple's WebObjects installer >>>2) Download eclipse >>>3) Install WOLips >>> >>> >>>Most java developers probably already have Eclipse anyway, so then it is >>>just >>>two steps. If the WO installer was part of WOLips, then it is just one step. >>> >>> >>>In my experience helping developers get set up here, solutions that don't >>>use >>>Apple's WebObjects installer end up causing problems for users, mainly >>>because >>>of the non-standard file locations; using /System/Library/Frameworks and >>>/Library/Frameworks, etc, results in a less problematic installation. > > >We could use symlinks for that, eg >/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/ count point to >/Developer/WebObjects/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/ (or >just /Developer/WebObjects/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/). > >John >> >> >>On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Pascal Robert <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>Le 2011-05-09 à 07:50, Kieran Kelleher a écrit : >>> >>> >>>> AFAIK, the Apple dmg is the only one that installs the examples, >>>> documentation >>>>(in Developer dir), etc.? Might be useful for beginners. >>> >>>I wouldn't call the examples to be useful :-) We should write new examples >>>that >>>use Wonder features. But I think you are right about the documentation. >>>Maybe >>>woinstall.jar could be changed to also install the documentation. >>> >>> >>>> I use woinstall.jar myself usually. >>>> >>>> In any case, just pick whichever way you think is best, easiest for >>>> beginners, >>>>and works reliably. >>>> >>>> On May 9, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok, so we have four pages in the wiki that tells how to configure Apache >>>>> for >>>>>development, and numerous pages on how to install WOLips and the core WO >>>>>frameworks. We need one or two pages maximum! So we need to define what is >>>>>the >>>>>The One True Way to install and configure everything for development. >>>>> >>>>> My personal preferences are: >>>>> >>>>> * Install WO in /Developer/WebObjects with woinstall.jar >>>>> >>>>> I think installing WO with the Apple dmg is unsafe, because it install >>>>> stuff in >>>>>/System, and Apple have been know to remove stuff they don't support or >>>>>third-party tools from /System when new releases of OS X are made. >>>>>Installing >>>>>everything in /Developer/WebObjects or /Library/WebObjects is much safer. >>>>> >>>>> * Install Eclipse/WOLips with Golipse >>>>> >>>>> IMHO, that's the best way to install the tools, since they install all >>>>> required >>>>>plugins + the correct version of Eclipse. But since the default WOLips >>>>>properties are set for /Library and /System, we would need to change them >>>>>to >>>>>/Developer/WebObjects when installing from Golipse. >>>>> >>>>> * Install Wonder's wotaskd + the adaptor >>>>> >>>>> Everyone should have a copy of Wonder's wotaskd for development. Even if >>>>>someone is using DirectConnect for all development, having a copy of >>>>>wotaskd is >>>>>useful. >>>>> >>>>> Opinions? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> This email sent to [email protected] >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>Do not post admin requests to the list. 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