> From: Pascal Robert <[email protected]> > To: Kevin Spake <[email protected]> > Cc: Paul D Yu <[email protected]>; WebObjects Development > <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 11:01:29 AM > Subject: Re: Installing the tools: The One True Way? > > > Le 2011-05-09 à 12:36, Kevin Spake a écrit : > >> I haven't touched a unix command line in a long time. Luckily, CD and MKDIR >> are the same on DOS so I was able to use the git terminal commands to get >> Wonder. I know with Realbasic, and maybe with visualbasic as well, there is >> little or no need for using the command line so easing users into it after >> they have absorbed some of the other material may be helpful. > > Unless you are planning to deploy your applications on Windows, command line > knowledge will be a requirement for deployments. > > It's not a question of if, but when. Do you begin as you intend to go on, > ie. start out with some command line stuff, or take steps to eliminate that > in the very beginning and expect to deal with it a little later on? How much > effort should be made to compensate for the neophyte?
You need at least knowledge of the basic commands (cd; mkdir; mv; more;) early on. >> >> From: Paul D Yu <[email protected]> >> To: WebObjects Development <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53:26 AM >> Subject: Re: Installing the tools: The One True Way? >> >> I think the migration to the "one way" is absolutely the right thing to do. >> This is the basis from Crossing the Chasm. >> >> We have to simplify and make things consistent for the general new >> developers. >> >> Paul >> On May 9, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >> >>> >>> Le 2011-05-09 à 10:18, John Huss a écrit : >>> >>>> Mike floated the idea a while back about integration WO installation into >>>> WOLips. That is the best option in my opinion. Barring that, I still >>>> think the easiest, sure to work method is to: >>>> >>>> 1) Use Apple's WebObjects installer >>>> 2) Download eclipse >>>> 3) Install WOLips >>>> >>>> Most java developers probably already have Eclipse anyway, so then it is >>>> just two steps. If the WO installer was part of WOLips, then it is just >>>> one step. >>>> >>>> In my experience helping developers get set up here, solutions that don't >>>> use Apple's WebObjects installer end up causing problems for users, mainly >>>> because of the non-standard file locations; using >>>> /System/Library/Frameworks and /Library/Frameworks, etc, results in a less >>>> problematic installation. >>> >>> We could use symlinks for that, eg >>> /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/ count point to >>> /Developer/WebObjects/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/ >>> (or just /Developer/WebObjects/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/). >>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Pascal Robert <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Le 2011-05-09 à 07:50, Kieran Kelleher a écrit : >>>> >>>> > AFAIK, the Apple dmg is the only one that installs the examples, >>>> > documentation (in Developer dir), etc.? Might be useful for beginners. >>>> >>>> I wouldn't call the examples to be useful :-) We should write new examples >>>> that use Wonder features. But I think you are right about the >>>> documentation. Maybe woinstall.jar could be changed to also install the >>>> documentation. >>>> >>>> > I use woinstall.jar myself usually. >>>> > >>>> > In any case, just pick whichever way you think is best, easiest for >>>> > beginners, and works reliably. >>>> > >>>> > On May 9, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Ok, so we have four pages in the wiki that tells how to configure >>>> >> Apache for development, and numerous pages on how to install WOLips and >>>> >> the core WO frameworks. We need one or two pages maximum! So we need to >>>> >> define what is the The One True Way to install and configure everything >>>> >> for development. >>>> >> >>>> >> My personal preferences are: >>>> >> >>>> >> * Install WO in /Developer/WebObjects with woinstall.jar >>>> >> >>>> >> I think installing WO with the Apple dmg is unsafe, because it install >>>> >> stuff in /System, and Apple have been know to remove stuff they don't >>>> >> support or third-party tools from /System when new releases of OS X are >>>> >> made. Installing everything in /Developer/WebObjects or >>>> >> /Library/WebObjects is much safer. >>>> >> >>>> >> * Install Eclipse/WOLips with Golipse >>>> >> >>>> >> IMHO, that's the best way to install the tools, since they install all >>>> >> required plugins + the correct version of Eclipse. But since the >>>> >> default WOLips properties are set for /Library and /System, we would >>>> >> need to change them to /Developer/WebObjects when installing from >>>> >> Golipse. >>>> >> >>>> >> * Install Wonder's wotaskd + the adaptor >>>> >> >>>> >> Everyone should have a copy of Wonder's wotaskd for development. Even >>>> >> if someone is using DirectConnect for all development, having a copy of >>>> >> wotaskd is useful. >>>> >> >>>> >> Opinions? >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>>> >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >>>> >> >>>> >> This email sent to [email protected] >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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