I was there Hugi and I think I missed something (^_^)  

I though the discussion was about forking Wonder, which seemed a little odd to 
me considering we have github nowadays.  Anyone can fork it and if you attract 
a following, so be it.

If we are discussing a WO fork... I wonder, has anyone ever actually asked 
Apple if they are willing to open source the WO 5.4.3 release?  The Java people 
made enough noise to get Apple's JDK source released to Oracle for OpenJDK.  We 
aren't as large as they are, but I would argue that we are more important to 
Apple's operations.  Certainly Apple would see a lot of value in having a 
healthy community of WO devs to pluck.  

Legal issues aside, it would be much easier to simply get Apple's blessing.  
They have gobs of money.  It isn't like they can't afford to throw us a bone. 
There should at least be a petition to ask them formally if that hasn't already 
been done.

Ramsey

On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:

> Of course.
> 
> Always "Clean" and in a separate room...  ;)
> 
> Paul
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:
> 
>>>> In short, we think that the first step to move forward is to stop using 
>>>> the WebObjects "brand" on WOCommunity.org and elsewhere, and move to 
>>>> either to the "Project Wonder" name or another name.
>>> 
>>> Whistler.   
>> 
>> Now I'm *really* bummed not to be there with you guys…
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, have the words "clean" and "room" been mentioned at all?
>> 
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