Apple isn’t Oracle (ie. it is not _insane_ when it comes to Open Source).
However, I completely agree with Chuck. There is simply no reason for Apple to spend a millisecond thinking about open sourcing WO. It just isn’t even on their radar screen (in spite of the RADARs that remain open for it!). At the same time, Apple relies heavily upon WONDER. WONDER violates pretty much every patent that they have....but they still use it. Pretty hard to litigate against that and...again...I don’t think that they will waste a millisecond thinking such thoughts. Unless somehow WONDER/Whistler/+the next big name+ becomes a threat they will ignore it or actually start using it....and maybe even contributing to it. Karl On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > > On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Ramsey Gurley <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I was there Hugi and I think I missed something (^_^) >> >> I though the discussion was about forking Wonder, which seemed a little odd >> to me considering we have github nowadays. Anyone can fork it and if you >> attract a following, so be it. >> >> If we are discussing a WO fork... I wonder, has anyone ever actually asked >> Apple if they are willing to open source the WO 5.4.3 release? > > Yes. They will not. > > >> The Java people made enough noise to get Apple's JDK source released to >> Oracle for OpenJDK. We aren't as large as they are, but I would argue that >> we are more important to Apple's operations. > > I doubt that. > > >> Certainly Apple would see a lot of value in having a healthy community of WO >> devs to pluck. > > I think we have pretty much been fully plucked. > > >> Legal issues aside, it would be much easier to simply get Apple's blessing. >> They have gobs of money. It isn't like they can't afford to throw us a >> bone. There should at least be a petition to ask them formally if that >> hasn't already been done. > > Wasting your time, IMO. > > Chuck > > >> >> Ramsey >> >> On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Paul D Yu wrote: >> >>> Of course. >>> >>> Always "Clean" and in a separate room... ;) >>> >>> Paul >>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote: >>> >>>>>> In short, we think that the first step to move forward is to stop using >>>>>> the WebObjects "brand" on WOCommunity.org and elsewhere, and move to >>>>>> either to the "Project Wonder" name or another name. >>>>> >>>>> Whistler. >>>> >>>> Now I'm *really* bummed not to be there with you guys… >>>> >>>> Out of curiosity, have the words "clean" and "room" been mentioned at all? >>>> >>>> - hugi _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com >>>> >>>> This email sent to [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com >>> >>> This email sent to [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net >> >> This email sent to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com > > This email sent to [email protected]
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