On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Ramsey Gurley <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was there Hugi and I think I missed something (^_^)  
> 
> I though the discussion was about forking Wonder, which seemed a little odd 
> to me considering we have github nowadays.  Anyone can fork it and if you 
> attract a following, so be it.
> 
> If we are discussing a WO fork... I wonder, has anyone ever actually asked 
> Apple if they are willing to open source the WO 5.4.3 release?  

Yes. They will not. 


> The Java people made enough noise to get Apple's JDK source released to 
> Oracle for OpenJDK.  We aren't as large as they are, but I would argue that 
> we are more important to Apple's operations.  

I doubt that. 


> Certainly Apple would see a lot of value in having a healthy community of WO 
> devs to pluck.  

I think we have pretty much been fully plucked. 


> Legal issues aside, it would be much easier to simply get Apple's blessing.  
> They have gobs of money.  It isn't like they can't afford to throw us a bone. 
> There should at least be a petition to ask them formally if that hasn't 
> already been done.

Wasting your time, IMO. 

Chuck


> 
> Ramsey
> 
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
> 
>> Of course.
>> 
>> Always "Clean" and in a separate room...  ;)
>> 
>> Paul
>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:
>> 
>>>>> In short, we think that the first step to move forward is to stop using 
>>>>> the WebObjects "brand" on WOCommunity.org and elsewhere, and move to 
>>>>> either to the "Project Wonder" name or another name.
>>>> 
>>>> Whistler.   
>>> 
>>> Now I'm *really* bummed not to be there with you guys…
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, have the words "clean" and "room" been mentioned at all?
>>> 
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