In my defense, it did seem like a good idea at the time.  ;-)

On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Karl <[email protected]> wrote:

> Not always.  
> 
> ‘Have another drink..its good for you’ was such a lie.
> 
> Karl
> 
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Travis Britt wrote:
> 
>> Everything Chuck says is true.
>> 
>> tb
>> 
>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Ramsey Gurley <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I was there Hugi and I think I missed something (^_^)  
>>>> 
>>>> I though the discussion was about forking Wonder, which seemed a little 
>>>> odd to me considering we have github nowadays.  Anyone can fork it and if 
>>>> you attract a following, so be it.
>>>> 
>>>> If we are discussing a WO fork... I wonder, has anyone ever actually asked 
>>>> Apple if they are willing to open source the WO 5.4.3 release?  
>>> 
>>> Yes. They will not. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The Java people made enough noise to get Apple's JDK source released to 
>>>> Oracle for OpenJDK.  We aren't as large as they are, but I would argue 
>>>> that we are more important to Apple's operations.  
>>> 
>>> I doubt that. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Certainly Apple would see a lot of value in having a healthy community of 
>>>> WO devs to pluck.  
>>> 
>>> I think we have pretty much been fully plucked. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Legal issues aside, it would be much easier to simply get Apple's 
>>>> blessing.  They have gobs of money.  It isn't like they can't afford to 
>>>> throw us a bone. There should at least be a petition to ask them formally 
>>>> if that hasn't already been done.
>>> 
>>> Wasting your time, IMO. 
>> 
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