On 2012-03-15, at 2:13 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > After I sent the email I was thinking about your second point that it's > probably a conflict of interest for many people. I guess the community could > get whole sale rates from people like yourself and become a kind of reseller.
It depends. It if is an hour or two of work, we don't want it. The admin costs are too high. If it is a week or two, I can't ethically or physically do it outside of work. The bigger concern in my mind is how to sell the community on the idea of not getting free on-demand support. Chuck > > But maybe it's just a bad idea all around. > > Johnny Miller > Kahalawai Media Corp. > www.kahalawai.com > > > > On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> The only problem I see is that we would have to stop doing this for free and >> demand that people pay for support. That makes the community less self >> supporting than it is now. And for larger support needs, that cuts into >> some of our day jobs. >> >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On 2012-03-15, at 1:08 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >> >>> Just a random idea I had I'm not sure if it's been discussed already but >>> here goes: >>> >>> Maybe the community could sell support and members could donate their time >>> to service the support. Seems like something people do anyway and at least >>> this time the community could get paid for it. >>> >>> And then when developers run up against the objection of "why should I use >>> WO if Apple no longer supports it?" the dev can say don't worry we can buy >>> support from this organization who specializes in WebObjects. >>> >>> Anyway just a thought, >>> >>> Johnny Miller >>> Kahalawai Media Corp. >>> www.kahalawai.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:25 AM, David Holt wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 2012-03-15, at 10:04 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le 2012-03-15 à 12:19, James Cicenia a écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> I think a better strategy is that we get a volunteer to go to Apple and >>>>>> sit there until Tim Cook meets with said volunteer. >>>>>> >>>>>> With the iOS making major penetration into the corporate world, this is >>>>>> a perfect opportunity to get the tools in there too! >>>>> >>>>> Ok, so knowing Apple, they will make sure that a new release of WO that >>>>> will only to talk to iOS devices. I don't think they care much about the >>>>> Web. I'm pretty sure that it was discussed inside Apple... >>>> >>>> The WEB is dead!! The WEB is dead!! >>>> >>>> (long live WebObjects :-) >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> We could all chip in $100 or so to pay for transportation, room and >>>>>> board. >>>>>> >>>>>> I could volunteer for the assignment. >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think Apple cares about petitions, or else OpenDoc, HyperCard >>>>>>> and other stuff would still be around :-) I guess we can try to email >>>>>>> Tim Cook directly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I always wondered how many of us have opened issues in Radar to ask for >>>>>>> new releases of WO? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Petition the new boss to APSL the rest of WO 5.4.3. We've already got >>>>>>>> JavaWOExtensions, JavaMonitor, wotaskd, and the web server adaptor >>>>>>>> code. The whole thing would be nice, but I only count 8 core >>>>>>>> frameworks that we really need, 14 if you count java client. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ramsey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So based on what people said, this is what the "community roadmap" >>>>>>>>> for this year should be: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Finishing the tutorials >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Writing a Getting Started with Project Wonder book >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Improvements on the development and deployment tools to make them >>>>>>>>> easier to work it (especially on starting up, like an installer than >>>>>>>>> install Eclipse, WOLips and the WO/Wonder frameworks) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Fixing bugs or doing improvements that are affecting at least 25% >>>>>>>>> of the community (the 2G limit of WOFileUpload, model reverse >>>>>>>>> engineering bugs, etc.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Documentation about how to move to Wonder APIs instead of the >>>>>>>>> straight WO APIs (that's the first part before moving to alternatives) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Better integration between WO and iOS/Android >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anything else? >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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