That's a case that can be part of the "30 minutes of free consulting" suggestion. Another option would be to offer discounts on services and products to members.
> A good example to consider might be the problem that Rich had last week with > deployment. That took some time to resolve. Is that the kind of think > people should be getting support for? If not, what do you have in mind? > > > Chuck > > > On 2012-03-15, at 2:28 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> That's true. I was thinking that documentation and asking questions to the >> list would remain free but there could be some kind of premier level of >> support that could be defined. >> >> Johnny Miller >> Kahalawai Media Corp. >> www.kahalawai.com >> >> >> >> On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> >>> On 2012-03-15, at 2:13 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >>> >>>> After I sent the email I was thinking about your second point that it's >>>> probably a conflict of interest for many people. I guess the community >>>> could get whole sale rates from people like yourself and become a kind of >>>> reseller. >>> >>> It depends. It if is an hour or two of work, we don't want it. The admin >>> costs are too high. If it is a week or two, I can't ethically or >>> physically do it outside of work. The bigger concern in my mind is how to >>> sell the community on the idea of not getting free on-demand support. >>> >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>>> >>>> But maybe it's just a bad idea all around. >>>> >>>> Johnny Miller >>>> Kahalawai Media Corp. >>>> www.kahalawai.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>>> >>>>> The only problem I see is that we would have to stop doing this for free >>>>> and demand that people pay for support. That makes the community less >>>>> self supporting than it is now. And for larger support needs, that cuts >>>>> into some of our day jobs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2012-03-15, at 1:08 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just a random idea I had I'm not sure if it's been discussed already but >>>>>> here goes: >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe the community could sell support and members could donate their >>>>>> time to service the support. Seems like something people do anyway and >>>>>> at least this time the community could get paid for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> And then when developers run up against the objection of "why should I >>>>>> use WO if Apple no longer supports it?" the dev can say don't worry we >>>>>> can buy support from this organization who specializes in WebObjects. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway just a thought, >>>>>> >>>>>> Johnny Miller >>>>>> Kahalawai Media Corp. >>>>>> www.kahalawai.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:25 AM, David Holt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2012-03-15, at 10:04 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 2012-03-15 à 12:19, James Cicenia a écrit : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think a better strategy is that we get a volunteer to go to Apple >>>>>>>>> and sit there until Tim Cook meets with said volunteer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With the iOS making major penetration into the corporate world, this >>>>>>>>> is a perfect opportunity to get the tools in there too! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok, so knowing Apple, they will make sure that a new release of WO >>>>>>>> that will only to talk to iOS devices. I don't think they care much >>>>>>>> about the Web. I'm pretty sure that it was discussed inside Apple... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The WEB is dead!! The WEB is dead!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (long live WebObjects :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We could all chip in $100 or so to pay for transportation, room and >>>>>>>>> board. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I could volunteer for the assignment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't think Apple cares about petitions, or else OpenDoc, >>>>>>>>>> HyperCard and other stuff would still be around :-) I guess we can >>>>>>>>>> try to email Tim Cook directly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I always wondered how many of us have opened issues in Radar to ask >>>>>>>>>> for new releases of WO? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Petition the new boss to APSL the rest of WO 5.4.3. We've already >>>>>>>>>>> got JavaWOExtensions, JavaMonitor, wotaskd, and the web server >>>>>>>>>>> adaptor code. The whole thing would be nice, but I only count 8 >>>>>>>>>>> core frameworks that we really need, 14 if you count java client. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ramsey >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So based on what people said, this is what the "community roadmap" >>>>>>>>>>>> for this year should be: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Finishing the tutorials >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Writing a Getting Started with Project Wonder book >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Improvements on the development and deployment tools to make >>>>>>>>>>>> them easier to work it (especially on starting up, like an >>>>>>>>>>>> installer than install Eclipse, WOLips and the WO/Wonder >>>>>>>>>>>> frameworks) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Fixing bugs or doing improvements that are affecting at least >>>>>>>>>>>> 25% of the community (the 2G limit of WOFileUpload, model reverse >>>>>>>>>>>> engineering bugs, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Documentation about how to move to Wonder APIs instead of the >>>>>>>>>>>> straight WO APIs (that's the first part before moving to >>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Better integration between WO and iOS/Android >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else? >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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