On 2012-07-12, at 2:01 PM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is> wrote:

>>> I think Hugi also use it.
>> 
>> Is that a point for or against it?  :-P
> 
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> 
> But yes, I've used Cayenne on a couple of projects. As you know it feels a 
> *lot* like EOF and was by far the nicest ORM I could legally use at my 
> previous pure java workplace. (protip: never go anywhere near JPA, it *will* 
> rape your dog and kill your grandmother.) Apart from the technical 
> similarities, Cayenne also has another important thing in common with WO: A 
> good community and an active mailing list full of nice and helpful people, so 
> you never get stuck along the way.

What do you mean by it feels a *lot* like EOF? Is it because the method calls 
look alike? Regarding JPA, I've observed since I started working on EOF in 
2010, very few know about J2EE in this community. JPA is not a standard, it's a 
specification. A clever WO developer can use EOF with JPA too :)

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Java_Persistence/What_is_JPA%3F

Farrukh

> 
> Cayenne is still missing a lot of functionality when compared to EOF/Wonder 
> and generally feels less mature (understandably, since EOF is ancient). This 
> is perhaps not such a huge problem, since functionality can always be 
> added—but there is indeed a *lot* of work to be done to reach feature parity 
> with EOF.
> 
> It's clear that at some point most of us will have to stop using EOF in it's 
> current form. In a perfect world (that's the world where I have endless time 
> and money) I'd do a clean room implementation of EOF and live happily ever 
> after. But this is indeed not a perfect world, so helping making Cayenne 
> better and more integrated with WO seems like a more realistic goal (besides, 
> it allows more resources to be spent on a re-implementation of WO; something 
> I'd love to participate in).
> 
> - hugi
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