Which would seem to indicate that work is continuing on WO for Apple's internal 
use ????

Am I stating the obvious???

Joel
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On May 4, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> Looks like most WO devs in North America are working directly or indirectly 
> for Apple. That would explain why we have more Europeans coming to WOWODC 
> than people near.
> De : webobjects-dev-bounces+probert=macti...@lists.apple.com 
> <webobjects-dev-bounces+probert=macti...@lists.apple.com> de la part de 
> Ricardo Parada <rpar...@mac.com>
> Envoyé : 4 mai 2016 13:53:31
> À : Chuck Hill
> Cc : WebObjects-Dev
> Objet : Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple
>  
> 
> I see people disappear from this list every time they are hired by Apple. I 
> just noticed Kieran has not been active in the list and his linked in profile 
> says he is now at Apple. 
> 
> :-)
> 
> On May 4, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> wrote:
> 
>> Gee…. I wonder if he will still associate with us now!
>> 
>> From: Ramsey Gurley <rgur...@smarthealth.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:24 AM
>> To: David LeBer <dleber_wo...@codeferous.com>
>> Cc: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com>, WebObjects-Dev 
>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>
>> Subject: Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple
>> 
>> Hugi, you’re famous now :D
>> 
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-officially-discontinues-webobjects-2016-5
>> 
>> 
>> On May 3, 2016, at 4:20 PM, David LeBer <dleber_wo...@codeferous.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, I was surprised by that too.
>>> 
>>> Apple rarely gives definitive statements on anything, let alone a long dead 
>>> and forgotten product ;)
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> D
>>> 
>>> On May 3, 2016 at 7:11:05 PM, Chuck Hill (ch...@gevityinc.com) wrote:
>>>> I am surprised that Hugi got a clear statement from Apple. That must have 
>>>> taken some persistence! “Frank, this damn Hugi guy keeps bugging us every 
>>>> year, get rid of him!”
>>>> 
>>>> :-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2016-05-03, 4:04 PM, 
>>>> "webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc....@lists.apple.com on behalf of 
>>>> Pascal Robert" <webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc....@lists.apple.com 
>>>> on behalf of prob...@macti.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >
>>>> >> Le 3 mai 2016 à 12:47, Flavio Donadio <fla...@donadio.com.br> a écrit :
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Hugi,
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> That’s bad news, but it’s exactly what we expected, in a certain way. 
>>>> >> The silence and lack of updates for such a long time were telling us 
>>>> >> the truth, although we wouldn’t accept it — there had to be a final 
>>>> >> word, straight from the horse’s mouth! I guess we have it now.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> So, they say WO is dead. We say “long live, WO!"
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> We should move on to the next step: nagging Apple to release WO/EOF as 
>>>> >> open source software! ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> >This topic comes around every year. Multiple people asked this to Apple 
>>>> >over the last 7 years. It won’t happen. Final.
>>>> >
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >> Flavio
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >>> On 03/05/2016, at 12:19, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is> wrote:
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Hi all.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> We probably all know that WO's been practically dead to Apple for a 
>>>> >>> long time, but unfortunately Apple has refused to state so officially 
>>>> >>> (at least I don't recall there being an official statement).
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Anyhow… In the past years I've regularly sent letters to Tim Cook, 
>>>> >>> asking about the state of WO (being the naggy guy I am) and recently, 
>>>> >>> I was contacted by Apple executive relations regarding my questions. 
>>>> >>> The guy I spoke to called a couple of times, at first, he had 
>>>> >>> absolutely no idea what WO was but the second time he called, he had 
>>>> >>> obtained information and had a clear statement: "WebObjects is a 
>>>> >>> discontinued product and will never be upgraded".
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> I know this information is extremely redundant, but I still wanted to 
>>>> >>> tell you since it was something of a relief. Felt a little like the 
>>>> >>> police calling you to let you know that they'd found the remains of 
>>>> >>> your friend that's been missing for 15 years and finally declared him 
>>>> >>> dead.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> But of course, this changes nothing; WO is still better than ever. We 
>>>> >>> just need to continue to distance Wonder from WO and move forward.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Cheers,
>>>> >>> - hugi
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