In part I agree with Troy's concerns. The number one selling challenge I
have with WebObjects is licensing cost. Products such as WebLogic are about
1/2 the cost. We can rant and rave about features, efficiency and
robustness but there are economic and market factors that need to be
addressed. In general the TPM module is fine with me, though I would like
to see the enterprise/single cpu license at around $10k. If that was the
case, there probably would be no need for the 100 tpm license.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy D. Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Unfair WO4 pricing
>Hey guys,
>
> I'd like to say a thing or two on this subject too. First, I
>don't like this tpm model -- I'd *much* prefer to license by number of
>users. A couple of reasons for this: 1) that's how every other vendor
>I deal with does it, and 2) # of users is much easier to know ahead of
>time for most of the (intranet) stuff I deal with. Now, at $7499 you
>now get 100tpm, where you used to get 50 users. Hey, that's *at most*
>a hit every 30 seconds/user. Depending on what the UI is like for your
>web app (which the developer is frequently not in control of -- at least
>around here), the 4.0 upgrade may hit the tpm wall before you can get the
>50 users you (thought you) paid for in the first place! (Unless Apple
>allows the upgrade customer to operate under the terms of the original
>agreement -- ???)
>
> I realize a lot of WO apps are deployed on the internet -- but
>I suspect most people doing that are already paying for the unlimited
>license - since they can't know how many simultaneous users they're
>going to have.
>
> With the exception of the occaisional "special promotions", I
>have never been happy with WO pricing. Hey, I *know* its great
>technology, I *know* almost all the alternatives suck in comparison, but
>hey -- give us a break!! I've got to believe that most of the code in WO
>(i.e., old NextStep/OpenStep Foundation classes) has been paid for by now.
>I was really hopeful that Apple's merger with NeXT would get the price down
>on WO/OpenStep and attract a larger following. Sad to say, the high-end
>deployment option now costs TWICE what a little boutique shop (NeXT) used
>to charge (remember $25000 for WO 2.0 Enterprise/Unlimited Lic. ?)
>
> We bitch about all the shortcomings of stuff like ASP, ColdFusion,
>etc. and say how great our (deservedly) beloved WO is. But for most of
>the projects I work on, ASP becomes the solution because no one can justify
>spending $7500 to deploy something that could be free. It would be one
>thing if there was a $1500 - $2500 deployment option. But there's not.
>Apple seems to be saying, "Yeah, we make the best tool, but we don't
>really want to sell it...and it's only good for developing apps when you
>have a huge budget."
>
> I'm sorry folks, WebObjects is never going to be more than a
>bit player in the big picture at these prices. It's almost like Apple
>doesn't want to popularize the product and broaden the installed base.
>
> OK, pardon my ravings. I'll go put my asbestos suit on now...
>
>Troy
>
>
>
>--
>Troy D. Casey -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>"I can retain neither respect nor affection for a Government which has
> been moving from wrong to wrong in order to defend its immorality."
> -- Mohandas Gandhi (on Britain)
>
>
