i thought Branko and Justin were doing this? (The rest of us were voting - at best)>???
has this not been decided? if it has been decided, then why the complete rework of ideas? ----------------------- Visit My Sites! www.syrbot.com | My Site www.attackr.com | Latest Blog Posts On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Branko Vukelic <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Angelo Gladding <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Although I will probably inevitably end up sounding like a fascist, I > >> don't think a public vote should be the principal decision-making > >> mechanism in projects like this. It's better that everyone simply > >> takes a look at the work-in-progress stuff and contribute their ideas. > > > >> We've actually just started working on this the other day. > > > > http://webpy.org/deployment?m=history > > With all due respect, Angleo, I'm starting to get a feeling you are > trying to prove something here, which is not necessarily a > constructive approach, and certainly doesn't leave a good impression. > > And just in case my gut feeling is correct, I will tell you this. You > could have simply said "I think you guys are slow and/or don't know > what you're doing. Look at how complete a solution I can provide in > time it took you to just experiment with a few color schemes and some > shitty snake graphic." I would have appreciated such a response better > than "Here's some stats so go figure." Very rude. > > Also, throwing at us your own templates that are completely different > to ours is a good way to show how things can be done differently, but > it's not part of the process. It does not allow us to simply call diff > on two versions and pinpoint the differences (at least with whatever > tools we happen to be using right now), let alone merge your changes > to what we are working on. > > Justin and I are looking for constructive contributions, as usually is > the case with open(-source) projects. Please follow Ken's example, and > ask Justin to let you have a look at what is currently being > implemented, and use that as a starting point for further discussion. > You can ask Justin directly for a link to latest implementations. I > myself have made all my work available, and freely commentable, so, > again, use that opportunity to express your views. I will take any > kind of remark, even the utterly useless "I don't like this" in many > of its guises, as long as it's made with honesty, and open-mindedness. > > With that said, we will of course, take into consideration all your > suggestions, and implement whatever we see fit. Then you can review > what is being done in a hopefully less conflicting manner. > > Best regards. > > >> > I don't understand why your mockup is far less complete than mine... > > > >> ...we all have real lives, so we couldn't get our schedules synced. > > > > Ahh the asynchronicity of unreal life. > > > > - - - > > > > (min)imalism — for the community's consideration. > > > > http://i.imgur.com/Eq5kN.png > > > > CHANGES > > > > Site Template > > > > * one snake, please — I personally like this one best > > * transparent favicon and snake logo > > * SEARCH > > * first tab-index > > * support for OpenSearch (see upper right of *my view* above) > > * Goog custom search across webpy.org, launchpad & github > > * `universal edit button` (see tooltip in *my view* above) > > * one, obvious home link (doubles as hCard for the web.py organization) > > * breadcrumbs will logically fit between top `web.py` and `<h1>` > > * if any URIs actually descend multiple levels of hierarchy [???] > > * HTML5 (i.e. <header>, <article>, <nav>, <footer>) > > * document structure places `article` content before `nav`igational > elements > > * simplified navigation > > * changelog has nothing to do with "Getting" which leaves only > `Download` > > * hence change of heading from `Get` to `Use` > > * merge `download` into `install` > > * move deployment information from `install` to `deploy` > > * break setup into parts and merge with `deploy` and elsewhere > > * `learn` section is more focused > > * quote moved to footer revealing whitespace and collapsing header > > * Aaron and Anand's info provided as hCards (as `vcard.agent`s of web.py) > > * Anand presented with <address> to designate *main author* > > * table of contents > > * `rel-license`d page under a CC0 [critical change – comments?] > > * designed to formalize the Public Domain dedication universally > > * syntax highlighting > > * jQuery auto-inserts `back to top ↑` before each h2 > > > > About > > http://webpy.org/about?template_root=/min > > > > * <title> reads only "web.py" > > * single hAtom status feed entry represents most recent version > semantically > > * hAtom to Atom transliteration provides feed (see *my view* above) > > * Anand's hCard used heuristically to imply hAtom feed author > > * semantically: Anand is an author/agent of web.py who posted version > 0.33 > > * split testimonials into `project that use web.py` and `people that use > web.py` > > * each contains an hCard — `org`s for projects and `people` for people > > * began sourcing each quote > > * linking to author's identity where possible > > * overall sanitization of section > > > > Installation > > http://webpy.org/installation?template_root=/min > > > > * content restructure and merge with > > * terminal snippets are copy/pasteable > > * CSS used to insert shell indicator > > * trailing newline to ensure sending of entire sequence of commands > > > > History of Installation > > http://webpy.org/installation?m=history&template_root=/min > > > > * hAtom feed > > > > Deployment > > http://webpy.org/installation?template_root=/min > > > > * untouched merge.. > > > > TODO > > > > * align vertical rhythm to a baseline grid > > * semantically connect change log feed to full change log history > > * deal with translation clutter > > * standardize table headers (i18n [???]) > > > > - - - > > > > Comments/suggestions/changes/feedback welcome. > > > > Shortcuts to preview it, use it and revert back to the default > > template are on my user page http://webpy.org/user/AngeloGladding or > > manully set your template root > > http://webpy.org/account/preferences/template_preferences to `/min`. > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Branko Vukelic <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Angelo Gladding <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> So it looks like you're really focusing on color. I imagined the > >>> redesign would incorporate more discussion in the areas of information > >>> architecture and content — semantics, typography, accessibility, > >>> usability. > >> > >> As it should. I have some ideas about that as well, but since this > >> started out a bit chaotic, we'll try to get this thing going, and > >> change stuff as we go. > >> > >>> That said, I don't understand why your mockup is far less complete > >>> than mine (regardless of perceived quality) given I spent a couple of > >>> hours one evening (content modifications included), had my hands tied > >>> to the existing HTML structure, and your redesign has been in the > >>> pipeline for.. longer. > >> > >> So far, Anand's the only guy working on webpy.org. And we all have > >> real lives, so we couldn't get our schedules synced. We've actually > >> just started working on this the other day. > >> > >>> Now that I know about this feature of Infogami I feel a strong urge to > >>> take a stab at a lower-level design but the last thing I want to do is > >>> step on toes. Can we discuss some of the finer points of the redesign > >>> in the open? > >> > >> Sure thing. I don't think anyone would mind. :) > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Branko Vukelić > >> > >> http://foxbunny.tumblr.com/ > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/16889...@n04/ > >> http://www.twitter.com/foxbunny > >> http://github.com/foxbunny > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "web.py" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <webpy%[email protected]>. > >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/webpy?hl=en. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Angelo Gladding > > [email protected] > > http://angelo.gladding.name/ > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "web.py" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <webpy%[email protected]>. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/webpy?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > Branko Vukelić > > http://foxbunny.tumblr.com/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/16889...@n04/ > http://www.twitter.com/foxbunny > http://github.com/foxbunny > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "web.py" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <webpy%[email protected]>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/webpy?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web.py" group. 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