I just did some quick testing using the two wars. I did 100 page loads
with a brand new session on each load and Tapestry was about twice as
fast for the list view page and the much smaller edit page. I wonder
what would happen if I made the Tapestry app stateful as well. That
may be a more fair comparison.

On 7/10/05, Phil Kulak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arg, okay, that was to much to post. Here's the origonal message:
> 
> Here are the two wars. Let me know if I should change the
> functionality at all. Also, notice that I didn't try very hard to
> optimize the wicket application. For example, I don't use
> optimizeItemRemoval = true and then manually removeAll() on deletes. I
> could have done that, but there are probably corrosponding
> optimizations for Tapestry that I just don't know about because I
> don't use it. Also, the Tapestry app is totally stateless, so that may
> give it an edge, but I dunno for sure.
> 
> On 7/10/05, Phil Kulak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Okay, I just realized that it was a bit dumb to post 5 megs of files
> > to mailing list. Sorry about that. Here are some URLs:
> >
> > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~pkulak/tapestry-benchmark.war
> > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~pkulak/wicket-benchmark.war
> >
> > On 7/10/05, Phil Kulak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Here are the two wars. Let me know if I should change the
> > > functionality at all. Also, notice that I didn't try very hard to
> > > optimize the wicket application. For example, I don't use
> > > optimizeItemRemoval = true and then manually removeAll() on deletes. I
> > > could have done that, but there are probably corrosponding
> > > optimizations for Tapestry that I just don't know about because I
> > > don't use it. Also, the Tapestry app is totally stateless, so that may
> > > give it an edge, but I dunno for sure.
> > >
> > > -Phil
> > >
> > > On 7/10/05, Phil Kulak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > If there's just one DAO, then I can store the data in a Map and not
> > > > worry about HSQL or anything like that. Actually, I just wrote it in
> > > > Wicket (it's absolutly frickin' amazing how FEW lines it took) and
> > > > I'll get it cloned in Tapestry tomorrow and post up both wars.
> > > > Basicaly, it's just a bare-bones version of your CD-App. I didn't want
> > > > to make it too complicated because I'm not super efficiant with
> > > > Tapestry and I didn't want that part to take all day.
> > > >
> > > > -Phil
> > > >
> > > > On 7/10/05, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Phil Kulak wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Unless the dynamic images are actually created on the fly, Wicket's
> > > > > >gonna get slaughtered there since Tapestry will actually copy static
> > > > > >images from the jar into a public webserver directory.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think Wicket handles the static images pretty efficiently. It would 
> > > > > be
> > > > > interesting to see if there is any performance difference with 
> > > > > Tapestry,
> > > > > but I think not. So Tapestry actually copies the resources to the 
> > > > > webapp
> > > > > directory? A potential problem with that is that you can't be sure 
> > > > > that
> > > > > you have write rights in your webapp dir. You can't even be sure if
> > > > > there is a filesystem dir at all (might still be a .war, or 
> > > > > potentially
> > > > > some other schema).
> > > > >
> > > > > >Maybe a list view of 50 items with edit and delete options? I could
> > > > > >make a single, thread-safe DAO, and then if you could find a way to
> > > > > >hit the page a bunch of times with concurrent edits and deletes, it
> > > > > >would be a nice muli-user test.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Why should you have just one DAO? Why not an instance per request or
> > > > > session?
> > > > >
> > > > > >That's my idea, but I have no idea how you plan to test it, so
> > > > > >something else may be more appropriate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it would be nice to have a special performance test page. 
> > > > > Where
> > > > > should we put it though?
> > > > >
> > > > > Eelco
> > > > >
> > > > > >On 7/9/05, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> If i get 2 wars of an app that does some big rendering (like 
> > > > > >> listviews,
> > > > > >>dynamic images and that kind of thing)
> > > > > >> So i don't think hangman will do it really it is a bit to small.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Don't know if we really have to test a database. That i don't 
> > > > > >> like. It
> > > > > >>should be plain pojo's
> > > > > >> that are in mem created for a list/detail/edit view.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> What kind of functionality would be a good test?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> johan
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Phil Kulak wrote:
> > > > > >> Is this offer still available? Don't we already have a working 
> > > > > >> Hangman
> > > > > >>app in both frameworks? If that won't cut it, I'd be glad to write a
> > > > > >>Tapestry clone of a Wicket app. It would give me a chance to get
> > > > > >>better acquainted with Tapestry 4.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>On 6/18/05, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> then we need 2 the same apps with the same feature set in both 
> > > > > >> frameworks.
> > > > > >>If somebody is willing to build that and supply me with the 2 wars 
> > > > > >>then
> > > > > >>i will do a performance test
> > > > > >>with yourekit..
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>johan
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>叶卫国 wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Does anybody compare it with tapestry?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
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