why didnt you just ban him off the list? seems like a rational thing to do :)

-Igor


On 8/25/06, Scott T weaver < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Yeah, well at least he isn't trolling your user list ;-)  We used to have some douche bag from some other OS portal project (forget the name) troll the Jetspeed user-list constantly.  This was back, oh, about 3-4 years ago.  This person felt it was his duty to respond to every user question with how shitty Jetspeed was and how much better his portal was.  It had to be the most unprofessional thing I had ever seen in all my days of developing OS software.

 

-scott

 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Igor Vaynberg
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:07 PM
To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard is bluffing here ...

 

seems to me like howard was the one who started the flamewar by talking crap about wicket in his blog comment :)

but honestly, who cares? different people like different things, lets just leave it at that.

i really liked tapestry and used it professionally when it was in the 3.x, beginnings of 4.x incarnations. but then i found wicket and it clicked with me because it works in a way that i like to work. im sure some people who are using wicket can try tapestry and switch because it fits them better.

what pisses me off is when people who take no time to look at the framework start talking shit about it - especially when they are authors of competing frameworks themselves :)

-Igor

On 8/25/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Just read some of the features he proposes on his blog. He seems to
make a big deal on getting the DI right with @InjectService. Maybe
someone should tell him about @SpringBean? ;) I'm sure he does fancier
things, though I doubt it's something you really need for the user
interface. Furthermore: 'This is the theme for all of Tapestry 5:
Simpler, easier, faster, more understandable, more powerful. Avoid
XML. Improve productivity. Make the framework adapt to your classes
and your methods, rather than the other way around.' ... So what's
new/ different? :)

If someone can point out some really drastic improvements I'd
certainly be interested to learn... And before this is getting to be a
flamewar. No-one of the team has a big problem with Tapestry, though
some are ex-Tapestry users. I still hope component oriented frameworks
like Wicket, Echo, GWT, and Tapestry will eat up the model 2/ web mvc
frameworks, cause imo that's where the real evil is. >8-|

Eelco


On 8/25/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's understandable that he gives a strong opinion to a direct attack
> on his framework. He's probably as ill informed about Wicket as we are
> on Tapestry 5 though. So what she should do is take a look at what he
> is doing and see whether we can learn something from it. Unlikely
> though as it'll still be the difference between an unmanaged framework
> (Wicket) and a managed/ declarative one (Tapestry). That, together
> with some of the other major differences, makes that we'll likely be
> improving our frameworks in very different directions.
>
> Eelco
>
>
> On 8/25/06, Francis Amanfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I found this current post on Howard's blog. I quote it here:
> >
> > "Wicket has a nice community and a few nice ideas, but it does not compare
> > to what I have planned for Tapestry 5. I believe Java is going to thrive at
> > the high end and performance is going to be one of the differentiators from
> > Ruby on Rails. In addition, the Wicket model can't address the kind of
> > short-cycle development issues that will be part of Tapestry 5. I think
> > Wicket is fairly broken in that it stores the component model inside the
> > HttpSession. This has been a critical flaw for JSF as well, where they've
> > realized that they don't have a proper approach to handling true
> > scalability. Wicket is a neater, cleaner version of Tapestry 1.0 or maybe
> > 2.0. I've said in the past that I found it quite unambitious for starting
> > from scratch. I'm now working on Tapestry 5 which is quite ambitious."
> >
> > Either this man is jealous of the success and popularity of Wicket or he
> > might have forgotten to take his pills before hitting his fingers on his
> > keyboard. Go remind him to do so the next time at:
> >
> > http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4110180&postID=115393199327621322
> >
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