we're not tired of you yet :D

On 8/25/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yeah, but that is only fun for so long.... :)
>
>
> -Igor
>
>
> On 8/25/06, Scott T weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Good question, I wasn't a list moderator at the time.  However, he did a
> pretty good job of making an ass of himself so we just let him continue ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > -scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
>
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Igor Vaynberg
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:32 PM
> >
> > To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard is bluffing here ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > why didnt you just ban him off the list? seems like a rational thing to do
> :)
> >
> > -Igor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/25/06, Scott T weaver < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, well at least he isn't trolling your user list ;-)  We used to have
> some douche bag from some other OS portal project (forget the name) troll
> the Jetspeed user-list constantly.  This was back, oh, about 3-4 years ago.
> This person felt it was his duty to respond to every user question with how
> shitty Jetspeed was and how much better his portal was.  It had to be the
> most unprofessional thing I had ever seen in all my days of developing OS
> software.
> >
> >
> >
> > -scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
>
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Igor Vaynberg
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:07 PM
> > To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard is bluffing here ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > seems to me like howard was the one who started the flamewar by talking
> crap about wicket in his blog comment :)
> >
> > but honestly, who cares? different people like different things, lets just
> leave it at that.
> >
> > i really liked tapestry and used it professionally when it was in the 3.x,
> beginnings of 4.x incarnations. but then i found wicket and it clicked with
> me because it works in a way that i like to work. im sure some people who
> are using wicket can try tapestry and switch because it fits them better.
> >
> > what pisses me off is when people who take no time to look at the
> framework start talking shit about it - especially when they are authors of
> competing frameworks themselves :)
> >
> > -Igor
> >
> >
> > On 8/25/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Just read some of the features he proposes on his blog. He seems to
> > make a big deal on getting the DI right with @InjectService. Maybe
> > someone should tell him about @SpringBean? ;) I'm sure he does fancier
> > things, though I doubt it's something you really need for the user
> > interface. Furthermore: 'This is the theme for all of Tapestry 5:
> > Simpler, easier, faster, more understandable, more powerful. Avoid
> > XML. Improve productivity. Make the framework adapt to your classes
> > and your methods, rather than the other way around.' ... So what's
> > new/ different? :)
> >
> > If someone can point out some really drastic improvements I'd
> > certainly be interested to learn... And before this is getting to be a
> > flamewar. No-one of the team has a big problem with Tapestry, though
> > some are ex-Tapestry users. I still hope component oriented frameworks
> > like Wicket, Echo, GWT, and Tapestry will eat up the model 2/ web mvc
> > frameworks, cause imo that's where the real evil is. >8-|
> >
> > Eelco
> >
> >
> > On 8/25/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > It's understandable that he gives a strong opinion to a direct attack
> > > on his framework. He's probably as ill informed about Wicket as we are
> > > on Tapestry 5 though. So what she should do is take a look at what he
> > > is doing and see whether we can learn something from it. Unlikely
> > > though as it'll still be the difference between an unmanaged framework
> > > (Wicket) and a managed/ declarative one (Tapestry). That, together
> > > with some of the other major differences, makes that we'll likely be
> > > improving our frameworks in very different directions.
> > >
> > > Eelco
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/25/06, Francis Amanfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I found this current post on Howard's blog. I quote it here:
> > > >
> > > > "Wicket has a nice community and a few nice ideas, but it does not
> compare
> > > > to what I have planned for Tapestry 5. I believe Java is going to
> thrive at
> > > > the high end and performance is going to be one of the differentiators
> from
> > > > Ruby on Rails. In addition, the Wicket model can't address the kind of
> > > > short-cycle development issues that will be part of Tapestry 5. I
> think
> > > > Wicket is fairly broken in that it stores the component model inside
> the
> > > > HttpSession. This has been a critical flaw for JSF as well, where
> they've
> > > > realized that they don't have a proper approach to handling true
> > > > scalability. Wicket is a neater, cleaner version of Tapestry 1.0 or
> maybe
> > > > 2.0. I've said in the past that I found it quite unambitious for
> starting
> > > > from scratch. I'm now working on Tapestry 5 which is quite ambitious."
> > > >
> > > > Either this man is jealous of the success and popularity of Wicket or
> he
> > > > might have forgotten to take his pills before hitting his fingers on
> his
> > > > keyboard. Go remind him to do so the next time at:
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4110180&postID=115393199327621322
> > > >
> > > > Regards
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