we're not tired of you yet :D On 8/25/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah, but that is only fun for so long.... :) > > > -Igor > > > On 8/25/06, Scott T weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Good question, I wasn't a list moderator at the time. However, he did a > pretty good job of making an ass of himself so we just let him continue ;-) > > > > > > > > -scott > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Igor Vaynberg > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:32 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard is bluffing here ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why didnt you just ban him off the list? seems like a rational thing to do > :) > > > > -Igor > > > > > > > > > > On 8/25/06, Scott T weaver < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, well at least he isn't trolling your user list ;-) We used to have > some douche bag from some other OS portal project (forget the name) troll > the Jetspeed user-list constantly. This was back, oh, about 3-4 years ago. > This person felt it was his duty to respond to every user question with how > shitty Jetspeed was and how much better his portal was. It had to be the > most unprofessional thing I had ever seen in all my days of developing OS > software. > > > > > > > > -scott > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Igor Vaynberg > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:07 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard is bluffing here ... > > > > > > > > > > seems to me like howard was the one who started the flamewar by talking > crap about wicket in his blog comment :) > > > > but honestly, who cares? different people like different things, lets just > leave it at that. > > > > i really liked tapestry and used it professionally when it was in the 3.x, > beginnings of 4.x incarnations. but then i found wicket and it clicked with > me because it works in a way that i like to work. im sure some people who > are using wicket can try tapestry and switch because it fits them better. > > > > what pisses me off is when people who take no time to look at the > framework start talking shit about it - especially when they are authors of > competing frameworks themselves :) > > > > -Igor > > > > > > On 8/25/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just read some of the features he proposes on his blog. He seems to > > make a big deal on getting the DI right with @InjectService. Maybe > > someone should tell him about @SpringBean? ;) I'm sure he does fancier > > things, though I doubt it's something you really need for the user > > interface. Furthermore: 'This is the theme for all of Tapestry 5: > > Simpler, easier, faster, more understandable, more powerful. Avoid > > XML. Improve productivity. Make the framework adapt to your classes > > and your methods, rather than the other way around.' ... So what's > > new/ different? :) > > > > If someone can point out some really drastic improvements I'd > > certainly be interested to learn... And before this is getting to be a > > flamewar. No-one of the team has a big problem with Tapestry, though > > some are ex-Tapestry users. I still hope component oriented frameworks > > like Wicket, Echo, GWT, and Tapestry will eat up the model 2/ web mvc > > frameworks, cause imo that's where the real evil is. >8-| > > > > Eelco > > > > > > On 8/25/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's understandable that he gives a strong opinion to a direct attack > > > on his framework. He's probably as ill informed about Wicket as we are > > > on Tapestry 5 though. So what she should do is take a look at what he > > > is doing and see whether we can learn something from it. Unlikely > > > though as it'll still be the difference between an unmanaged framework > > > (Wicket) and a managed/ declarative one (Tapestry). That, together > > > with some of the other major differences, makes that we'll likely be > > > improving our frameworks in very different directions. > > > > > > Eelco > > > > > > > > > On 8/25/06, Francis Amanfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I found this current post on Howard's blog. I quote it here: > > > > > > > > "Wicket has a nice community and a few nice ideas, but it does not > compare > > > > to what I have planned for Tapestry 5. I believe Java is going to > thrive at > > > > the high end and performance is going to be one of the differentiators > from > > > > Ruby on Rails. In addition, the Wicket model can't address the kind of > > > > short-cycle development issues that will be part of Tapestry 5. I > think > > > > Wicket is fairly broken in that it stores the component model inside > the > > > > HttpSession. This has been a critical flaw for JSF as well, where > they've > > > > realized that they don't have a proper approach to handling true > > > > scalability. Wicket is a neater, cleaner version of Tapestry 1.0 or > maybe > > > > 2.0. I've said in the past that I found it quite unambitious for > starting > > > > from scratch. I'm now working on Tapestry 5 which is quite ambitious." > > > > > > > > Either this man is jealous of the success and popularity of Wicket or > he > > > > might have forgotten to take his pills before hitting his fingers on > his > > > > keyboard. Go remind him to do so the next time at: > > > > > > > > > http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4110180&postID=115393199327621322 > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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