Hi Derrick,

Definite thanks for the feedback and, aside from your points below, glad 
you like the new skin. Yes, understand your point.  The top nav (to the 
right of the wiki logo) has room for 8 links... right now the first 4 
aren't customizable but we'll be changing that pretty soon so that 
admins have control of all the links up there. We'll be releasing that 
next week and the syntax will be changed to match how it's done for the 
regular Sidebar article.

As for the navigation box and the top content box ... I'm looking at 
ways to reduce the vertical size of the top content box so that the nav 
box comes up higher. Also... right now the links in the navigation box 
we just pull from the same Sidebar article that monobook uses and there 
will probably be duplication of links between that and the top nav 
links. We will soon make it so there's an v2 skin equivalent of sidebar 
... if it's blank the idea right now is to just use the monobook sidebar 
instead so that there isn't an empty list.

Thanks,
John Q.


Derrick Farnell wrote:
> Hi
>
> I wish to point-out what I believe is a significant layout problem 
> with the new Quartz template. I only joined Wikia a couple of weeks 
> ago, so apologies if this issue has already been raised.
>
> As you'll know, unregistered users (or registered users who are not 
> logged-in) now see the wikis with the Quartz template instead of 
> MonoBook. As you'll also know, the new template has optional widgets 
> which logged-in users can add to the sidebar on the right. However, 
> when viewing a wiki while not logged-in, the 'top content' widget 
> (which lists the most active pages on the wiki), is present in the 
> sidebar, even though it disappears when you log-in (unless of course 
> you have selected in your preferences for it to show). The problem, as 
> I see it, is that this widget is located directly below the ad box, 
> which is (I think) always a relatively large square-shaped box for 
> users not logged-in, which means that the navigation box in the 
> sidebar is so far down the screen that it is actually off the screen - 
> at least, it is with me whether I view the wikis on my laptop screen 
> or my 19" desktop monitor. While I appreciate that the 'top content' 
> box is useful, and think it is probably a good idea to have it showing 
> for users not logged-in, it is surely much less important than the 
> navigation box, and even the toolbox, and so surely should be placed 
> below them. I appreciate that it is possible to add a further four 
> links at the top of the page, to the right of the logo, but, given the 
> number of links in the sidebar, I'd prefer to keep to just the four 
> most important links at the top (although I'd prefer to be able to 
> customize those four links, which is not possible, and which is 
> another problem I have with Quartz).
>
> I've spoken to sannse about this and she told me that it is not 
> possible to customise this for users who are not logged-in, although 
> there are plans to make the sidebar 'more flexible and customisable in 
> the future', but I think that this a problem that needs to addressed 
> in the short term - obviously, ease of navigation is one of the golden 
> rules of web design, and I'm very concerned that new visitors to Wikia 
> will not be able to see the main set of navigational links when a wiki 
> page loads, and will only see the default four links at the top, which 
> we have no control over.
>
> Does anyone else agree with me on this? If there does seem to be 
> general agreement that this is a problem which needs to be sorted in 
> the short term, could Wikia consider doing so? I should say that, 
> other than the above, I think Quartz is a significant improvement over 
> MonoBook.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Derrick
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> http://chainsofreason.wikia.com/wiki/Home
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