Venezuela is electing a new president in about a week. I went ahead and switched the Italian article to use the Wikidata property so we might be able to capture a good example there.
> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:24:49 +0200 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties > > Le 2013-04-08 15:54, Luca Martinelli a écrit : > > 2013/4/8 Mathieu Stumpf <[email protected]>: > >> Le 2013-04-08 15:02, Luca Martinelli a écrit : > >> > >>> What I tried to say is: we don't mind if we go back in a page > >>> history > >>> and find a red link to a template, nobody cares, because we all > >>> know > >>> that a template has been deleted/substituted *for a reason* - that > >>> we > >>> even discussed for a VERY long time. What we DO care is that the > >>> article has *right now* the correct data - and this will be easier > >>> with Wikidata. I wouldn't have been its main sponsor in it.wp, if > >>> it > >>> wasn't for this. > >> > >> > >> When I look in the history, I want to see the data which where used > >> then : > >> there are the correct data of this history context. The "current" > >> page may > >> be automaticaly edited to match the current wikidata entries it > >> refers to, > >> but this changes should appears in the history, just like it's done > >> with > >> bots. > >> > >> So, no, I don't care that the last revision of an article uses the > >> "correct > >> data", because "correct data" is an ambiguous term. What I hope to > >> see, is > >> that the last revision article uses the last revision of the > >> wikidata > >> entries it needs; or at least the value it had the last time that a > >> commit > >> was made to update this value. And when I look in the history, I > >> want to see > >> the value that the article used to use then. Otherwise it would be > >> history > >> counterfeiting. > > > > Ok, I give up. Ask the devs to solve this problem, open a bug about > > it, whatever. > > > Sorry, I didn't want to upset anyone. > > > For the records I *do not* see as a problem as of now, since IMVHO > > we've got other priorities to deal with - first of all: filling the > > items with statements, and possibly completing the statements with > > sources, in order to make the data on Wikidata usable on Wikipedia. > > Ok, do you mean making a bug report on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ > ? > If so I would welcome any advise to make a bug report as relevant as > possible. > To my mind it would be realy like put the cart before the horse if we > began to feed articles with wikidata before we have a proper history > management. I understand the willing to be able to use this bright new > tool. I **do** share your exitement here. But if you take a step > backward, there's no urge to go into a situation possibly harmful for > the credibility of our "will to be reliable through transparency". > > So, before I make a bug report, can anyone confirm me that as it is > today, wikidata invokation in previous revision of a page will fail to > provide the relevant data, that is, the data which was returned at the > time the revision was in use. More generaly, could developers/admins > confirm me that data update would not appear in the article history. > Because it seems to me that I saw such entries with the interlang > migration, so until now I supposed that any change in wikidata would > rise a new revision with a commit message in each article using this > data. > > > Kind regards, > mathieu > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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