http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Mathieu Stumpf <[email protected]> wrote: > Le 2013-04-09 20:44, Michael Hale a écrit : > >> Venezuela is electing a new president in about a week. I went ahead >> and switched the Italian article to use the Wikidata property so we >> might be able to capture a good example there. > > > Could you please provide the relevant URL? > > thank you :) > > >> >>> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:24:49 +0200 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties >>> >>> Le 2013-04-08 15:54, Luca Martinelli a écrit : >>> > 2013/4/8 Mathieu Stumpf <[email protected]>: >>> >> Le 2013-04-08 15:02, Luca Martinelli a écrit : >>> >> >>> >>> What I tried to say is: we don't mind if we go back in a page >>> >>> history >>> >>> and find a red link to a template, nobody cares, because we all >>> >>> know >>> >>> that a template has been deleted/substituted *for a reason* - that >>> >>> we >>> >>> even discussed for a VERY long time. What we DO care is that the >>> >>> article has *right now* the correct data - and this will be easier >>> >>> with Wikidata. I wouldn't have been its main sponsor in it.wp, if >>> >>> it >>> >>> wasn't for this. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> When I look in the history, I want to see the data which where used >>> >> then : >>> >> there are the correct data of this history context. The "current" >>> >> page may >>> >> be automaticaly edited to match the current wikidata entries it >>> >> refers to, >>> >> but this changes should appears in the history, just like it's done >>> >> with >>> >> bots. >>> >> >>> >> So, no, I don't care that the last revision of an article uses the >>> >> "correct >>> >> data", because "correct data" is an ambiguous term. What I hope to >>> >> see, is >>> >> that the last revision article uses the last revision of the >>> >> wikidata >>> >> entries it needs; or at least the value it had the last time that a >>> >> commit >>> >> was made to update this value. And when I look in the history, I >>> >> want to see >>> >> the value that the article used to use then. Otherwise it would be >>> >> history >>> >> counterfeiting. >>> > >>> > Ok, I give up. Ask the devs to solve this problem, open a bug about >>> > it, whatever. >>> >>> >>> Sorry, I didn't want to upset anyone. >>> >>> > For the records I *do not* see as a problem as of now, since IMVHO >>> > we've got other priorities to deal with - first of all: filling the >>> > items with statements, and possibly completing the statements with >>> > sources, in order to make the data on Wikidata usable on Wikipedia. >>> >>> Ok, do you mean making a bug report on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ >>> ? >>> If so I would welcome any advise to make a bug report as relevant as >>> possible. >>> To my mind it would be realy like put the cart before the horse if we >>> began to feed articles with wikidata before we have a proper history >>> management. I understand the willing to be able to use this bright new >>> tool. I **do** share your exitement here. But if you take a step >>> backward, there's no urge to go into a situation possibly harmful for >>> the credibility of our "will to be reliable through transparency". >>> >>> So, before I make a bug report, can anyone confirm me that as it is >>> today, wikidata invokation in previous revision of a page will fail to >>> provide the relevant data, that is, the data which was returned at the >>> time the revision was in use. More generaly, could developers/admins >>> confirm me that data update would not appear in the article history. >>> Because it seems to me that I saw such entries with the interlang >>> migration, so until now I supposed that any change in wikidata would >>> rise a new revision with a commit message in each article using this >>> data. >>> >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> mathieu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > -- > Association Culture-Libre > http://www.culture-libre.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Innovimax SARL Consulting, Training & XML Development 9, impasse des Orteaux 75020 Paris Tel : +33 9 52 475787 Fax : +33 1 4356 1746 http://www.innovimax.fr RCS Paris 488.018.631 SARL au capital de 10.000 € _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
